I would say Probably the best President of the 20th century,
had Teddy Roosevelt not beaten him to that title back in 1906

But really, I give Mad Props to Kennedy for keeping an Ultra Cool head. i wish some of our more recent leaders could have done the same.
hes a man I'd Like to have played chess with.

What does JFK have to do with the 50's he was a 60's president not 50's! JFK getting shot is not in the least bit funny. He did handle the cuban missile crisis very well indeed.

Less people in 50's no way 2 words
BABY BOOM.

Men did not hate women, but there were a lot of male chauvinism. And hate of homosixuals. And racism. And people afraid of others with a different political point of view.

I don't agree on the morals were better. Sometimes it maybe was. And all eras have their good and bad music and outifts. I think we can be happy with all these "50's revival events" or whatever, where people drive with 50's cars, dress in 50's clothes, there are 50's music bands performing, there's a market with 50's clothing and people getting old school tattoos in the middle of all this.

It was a very good idea. Adds taste to the Fallout franchise..

Yah he was inspiring. I would have to say Ike was a pretty good president during the 1950's. He didnt do a bad job and neither did JFK.

I believe personally that the 40s and 50s got the male female roles exactly right. The two genders are not equal. Males are stronger, tougher, and more fit for hard labor. Women are more caring (generally), and better at raising children. I don't see gender roles as evil or sixist in any light. I am not sixist no no no, but I believe that both genders have specific roles in society.

People back then were MUCH more conservative than today, and that is why there was an anti-gay feel. Back then, gays were not public, but it was there. Gays are still a small minority mind you.

Racism is bad no matter what, so I agree there. The fear however is communism was correct I believe. People back then had a MUCH greater sense of America's superiority. Right off of a major victory, people loved their country. They saw communism as a threat to freedom, which it is, and wanted it gone.

I would probably be burned as a witch for telling people to have open minds and to think, and see other people's views
(yea Im going against my own advice but Im allowed because... because.. ah shut up )

I think they'd more likely arrest you for being a commie. I'd probably be arrested / burned at the stake also...

Why

Because I have a dark sense of humor and people from the 50's would think I was the spawn of satan for it...

Actually I was just more of making the point that I also think people should have an open mind. 1950's wasn't exactly an open minded era or maybe it was for its time who knows...

Yah they had way different views back then. One thing for sure i like back then is...the price of gas. Heck you could fill up your tank for 40 cents probably. I wouldnt mind going back in time and visiting that time period.

i dont get quite what your saying but in reality its good we progressed to a point, in the fallout universe i like that idea that society did keep going but kept those 50s ideals and way of life, for society in fallout to progress i think it already did the characters arent really in that 50s mindset anymore they were kinda jarred out of it by a big event(the apocalypse) for the most part, some things are still there mostly pre war stuff,

I didn't say people in the 50's hated women, I said people of today who would like to return to it do or they edit out the bad bits to leave what was good about the era.

The 50's in the U.S.:

The Red Scare (Senator Joe McCarthy and McCarthyism rampant; completely irrational accusations of being a communist; Irrational fear of communists; anyone who doesn't conform to and agree with what I say must be a communist!)

Widespread Racism (segregation; violence; Look up Emmett Till.)

sixism (Girls, the guys are back from World War II. It's time to go back to being housewives whose only serious role in the world is to raise and take care of children while looking pretty for your man instead of continuing to work.)

Conformity (Oh look, another uniformly designed, suburban neighborhood)

Fear of Homosixuals (seemed to believe "the gay" was a contagious disease)

Severe sixual Repression (in culture)

Crappy Technology (in comparison to today)




To hell with the 50's, I say. As for music, I hate most of it (as with today's American music), Sinatra's a strong exception, and I like music foreign to the average American, anyway... of which the modern day has plenty of good examples. T'is my cultural upbringing... and that brings up another point. I love globalization for cultural variety. I'm sure 50's America had even less of that than modern-day America.





As a setting influence, I love the 50's. Fallout brilliantly, and satirically, manages to incorporate the 50's influence really well. I love Liberty Prime. His programmed anti-communist slogans were part of the satire I mentioned... and the funny thing is the statements weren't too far off from what people really believed. Accusing opponents of being communist, hating communism for no logical reasons, mindlessly praising democracy and mistakingly believing the U.S. is some purely democratic nation...

Alright, since I love American and hate modern times, lemme completely destroy your arguments

1. You failed to note that the American System WORKS. Communism is a failed experiment that just does not work. Fear of a non-working system is rational. The American system is the best system, and you failed to note that.

2. Agreed.

3. Again, I noted this before. Women had MORE freedom than ever before in the 50s. Also, I fail to see how gender roles are sixist in any right. Men are stronger, and more brash, AKA, better at industry and construction, which so happens to be the main form of jobs back then.

4. Conformity is good. Suburbia is good. I fail to see this point.

5. Well, If I say what I truly think, I will get banned. Lemme just say that Americans back then were much more pragmatic, if it works, lets use it. You can't exactly reproduce homosixually can you? In short, you can
t have a baby man with man or women with women, only women with a man. If I over stepped my bounds Mods, say so and I will edit this out.

6. In modern times, we have over sixuality. I hate it to be honest. I can't seem to find a place without it. sixuality should be kept in the house and with the person you love. People back then actually had morals, and understood this in full. You did not have people who who would have 5 kids, each with different people.

7. I would rather have crappy tech (Which is just as good as today) and fedoras than Justin Beiber.

8. America in the 50s was the place that most music in the world started in. American is the best in the world, so they should be conforming to us.

Agree with everything you said alex America during the 1950's was one of the best decades of that century. Everybody was much more laid back back then. The awesome cars and awesome music all sets it in motion. Not to mention the 60's were just as good.

Yes, once you get past the high risk of a global, nuclear apocalypse and all the things that result from the fear of it.

You have to look through rose-tinted glasses to appreciate the fifties in such an idealistic way.



As someone else said, while it happens, that isn't necessarily true. And neither that nor the difference in music should be enough to want to stagnate the development of a country's culture.



Glad to see someone actually pointing out the many, many faults.



Works with perfection, without failure? That's not even possibly true. Sometimes due to the hypocrisy that has often shown in our system, like the discrimination of the powerless and the minorities, and the discrimination toward immigrants when we present the country as one of opportunity, it doesn't completely "work." When we restrict people's rights because of their heritage, or their skin color, or their gender-and we have and we still are to some extent-our system isn't "working." When we deport people because somebody accuses them of being Communist(or whatever is considered "bad" at the time), our system isn't "working." When the judicial system permits things like slavery and lynching, or allows an election to be screwed up due to corruption, our system isn't "working." When the government does not protect U.S. workers from unfair policies by powerful affiliations, our system isn't "working." When the government can send people to infiltrate peaceful, but protesting groups, because it disagrees with something the government's doing, when the CIA gets to have such a big role in diplomacy, and when the government can spy on your communication with others for the most stupid or slightest suspicion, our system is not "working." (I assure you, there are more examples than that)

Fear of a system because it failed is fair, but the fear was more personal and more simplified/different to the American audience of the time than that-and the fear went way too far. Would you appreciate that the country you lived in put you in a concentration camp, just because you happened to be of a certain heritage? Would you appreciate if it deported you, just because a politician or someone else accused you of being Communist, or because (again) you might have had heritage from a Communist country? A number of people weren't even directly from Japan for the former, or Russia for the latter-they just had relatives that were from there. That's all it required. Yeah, that's definitely, correctly justified by fear. And that discrimination is just the tip of the iceberg on what we did because of the second Red Scare.

And calling it the "best system," is also an opinion-if you want to make an argument, you need to make a more solid one than "It's awesomely the best, cause it is!" It just shows that you're nationalistic.



Yes, more freedom for that time. To claim it isn't sixist just because it was less sixist is like claiming that the day women were finally granted to vote(though no doubt were often blocked from voting), they were officially given equal treatment to men. They weren't.
Or, perhaps more fittingly, it's like saying that a thief is innocent because he has stolen less than another thief.

Aside from the fact that not every man is stronger than every woman, and the fact women could and can still handle industry and construction(women worked in factories before men did in America) well enough that it shouldn't matter, they weren't allowed to do anything that was outside of basic education and tasks within the house. They were treated like children and forced into a "perpetual state of childhood." And here's a biggy: women still had to depend on men economically. Gender spheres are sixist, to both genders but most harsh toward women. Another thing about gender spheres was that women were considered more "pure" than men, so that if they ever cheated or the like they were ruined for life-but if a man did it, it was acceptable or even admirable. You're telling me that that huge gap in equality, that huge amount of restrictions based on gender, that that isn't sixist?



I actually laughed at that-please watch The Death of a Salesman, and pay close attention.

Conformity is restrictive, it helps nothing and no one-except for those so uptight and controlling of other's lives that they're offended that someone dare wear the color red when they themselves are wearing white.



Well, if we're going to use that argument-that's not true anymore. I'm not sure about a child between two men, but it's completely, scientifically possible now to make a child between two women.



While it's excessive, admittedly, on a number of things in media, and shouldn't be done outright in the middle of no where, in public, public display of affection isn't necessarily bad. Of course, this is opinionated, but then here's another fact: sixual repression isn't healthy, either. And six is not evil, nor unhealthy, in itself.



Wait, are you saying that the technology of the time is as good as today?..

Ignoring point eight because it is completely opinionated with nothing but the nationalistic, "U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!" type statement. That's not actually an argument.
And I'm not saying being proud of this country is bad, but thinking so arrogantly that it is superior to all else is.



Now, personally, I enjoy the way it stayed the same in the fictional, Fallout universe-it mocked it(though some people seemed to have missed this), played with events and ideas of the time, and made an amazing story out of it. However, I like to see action and death in fiction too-but I would never want to see that in real life, or hope for it.

The only reason, I think, that the fifties is looked so grandly upon is that it was the last time our country was so immensely prosperous-everyone was fat and happy-and the country has romanticized it greatly in much of our media. Though if you look at media of the time, it's not always as giddy about it as we seem to be right now.
Even so, we were, again, the only country not completely ravaged by a World War and instead rather prosperous-even with all the damage in all aspects of American life.

However, there was plenty wrong with the fifties-and I'd rather have the troubles of today than the troubles of then.

The biggest reason, however, that I am all too glad we aren't stuck in that culture is that unchanging factors are static. And static things are unadaptive and/or dead(or in some cases of countries, just fall behind), and if it's not the latter, it's probably pretty close to it. Because, if you look at anything in the world, thing's that can't adapt can't survive-for whatever reason.

Doesnt seem like you like the 50's much...

to me the 50's started an age of decadence. everything was so inefficient, energy wise. were just now waking up to the fact that we cannot sustain our selfs like that.

and the US's way of doing things is just as a failed experiment as Communism is (just because it failed 1st doesn't change it) . it will always fail because of human nature. greed. but im not going to write a college level thesis on this just for a forum post. but it comes down to Until there is real free energy (sustainable fusion, orbital solar energy collectors) we will never be free as a species

I look forward to the day of a perfect socialist society
aka the Federation of planets.

Wrong, wrong, and more wrong.

1. The US system has worked for 200+ years, I doubt that that is going to change.

2. You can't change human nature. Humans will always be greedy arrogant pricks. That is why socialism just does not work. Humans are greedy selfish [censored]s by nature, you can't change that at all. Socialism, AKA, distributing the wealth, does not work because of human greed. Humans want to get ahead, we like being wealthy, and rich, that brings me to my third number.

3. The human greed stimulates the economy. Yes, it does. Humans invest in order to make money. Money, yes, money. With investment comes job creation, wealth creation, and prosperity. That is why the 50s were such a great time. The economy was booming due to economic freedom.


Ignoring point eight because it is completely opinionated with nothing but the nationalistic, "U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!" type statement. That's not actually an argument.
And I'm not saying being proud of this country is bad, but thinking so arrogantly that it is superior to all else is.

I have lived in Kenya, Germany, Canada, Panama, Japan, England, France, and America. My parents were army folk, so we moved a ton, and I still do. In all my travels, I have yet to see a culture that is superior to the American. None as of yet.

The American system itself is not perfect, not at all. It is however, the best system tried so far, and it is working fine.

I can't believe so many people said no to 1950's sci fi.

Its what gives Fallout its flavor, its what gives it that competitive edge over all the other post-apoc games!

Capitalism wasn't a failed experiment though, I believe it is a transition stage in our society. Socialism is inevitable, as technology advances, we see more roles that people had to fill replaced by AI and machinery. For example, Robotic assembly lines. In the future, I see most work being eliminated, and then Socialism comes.

Once everything becomes abundant, there will be no need for corporations, money, or greed. Humans are always striving to use their advanced intelligence to make the world a better place for themselves, so at the rate technology is advancing and if it continues like this, no doubt this will happen.

But it can't really work now, as we have already saw. Instead of everything becoming equal, everyone gets poor.

And don't think i'm just a dreamer. When Feudalism was around, they looked at Capitalism as a distant dream. The same applies to us people now.
____________________________________________

Now, I just had to put my claim in. But this is really off topic; and getting political. Cruising for a lock I presume.

Anyways, Have Fallout in 1950's sci fi future style is what makes it different. Keep it.

It's the only reason why I play it... Well there's the gameplay as well...

its all about Human nature and it needs to change, is what im saying. we as a People, as a Species Need to change.
maintaining the status quo, and saying thing have worked for 200 years is not an answer though. we are destroying other species and habitats in search for the almighty dollar

to advance as a people, to get off this planet, and to fix the damage we have done to this precious jewel. we need to change.
and IF we ever do (before were all gone, due to ecosystem collapse, Nuclear war, bological war, or the like) the Capitalistic society will end.

that can't be all done overnight though. It is gradual change. The world leans more and more to the left of the political spectrum everyday. It's good to work with the Capitalist system now, and modify it to make it work better...

Now thats what im talking about. Not to mention after Ike was out of presidency we had a surplus too.