The non-progressive thing didn't really work out in the Fallout Universe, so I don't think it's a good choice for IRL

While I don't disagree with you, I must point out how long China stayed with its form of goverment involving the Dynasties.

Also, in my general opinion, Socialism just doesn't work like many people think it would. Humans are greedy by nature, and all people that are wealthy prior to any change in society would become outraged with having to give away large sums to all the poorer people, deserving and undeserving. I'm sure wealthy people in a socialist society would bribe government officials fractions of what they would give to the poorer parts of the society, (as there are many corrupt politicians today, there would be in a short future) further proving socialism is ineffective. Of course, that's just for starters. I shouldn't have even gone as far as I did into politics, that's not really my thing.

Really? I think they pulled off it quite well. With the 50's theme and everything. Theres some progression its just in a different way.

progression directly into a natural resource eating up, hyper inflated, and ultimately nuclear hell scape of a world.

Yah well lol. They had TO MUCH reliance on oil and look what happened. Thats why America and other countries need to weene off oil in the Next 20 years or we will all be paying. Heck we might have to go back to nice old western days...Johnny go get my Horse.

i dont think that our non 50's world of change could very well end up the same.

We are already eating up all fo the resources.. from there the inflation will follow and from there wars...

we dont even need to break into politics or cultural aesthetics to realize this. its a numbers game. sheer numbers of people all consuming, even if just a little takes from the natural ecology of the planet.
housing for all fo those people takes even more. clothing even more.
thats just for basic needs.

Solution?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg

haha its either that or start launching old people into the sun.. maybe both

Um i think there is other ways of dealing with that situation...lol.

Oddly enough I can agree some of the music from the 50's was pretty good, but not all the music in FO3 or NV is all from the 50s, a few songs are more recents that sounded like they fit in that era, loosly quoted from Fo:NV dev. diaries.

But as for the poll I would agree that i love the Fallout series and its alt. 50's era setting but would agree that even in a post nuclear world humanity would regroup and develope once more and since FO3 is set 200 years after the droppings i'd reason that the world would have developed much more then what it has, taking into concideration of the Enclave and its tech hordes BoS and its tech monguring and of course the commonwealth being superior with tech and the other countries are not even meantioned, its enough that what we see just doesn't add up, but sorry for the ranting and sliding down a cliff to off topic.

I voted "No" in the poll, as I think the 1950s is an excellent basis to start constructing the culture and history of the Fallout world, but I wouldn't want to live there, or to have those attitudes back, about repression of different minorities and scare stories about "the reds" (whether the Soviet Union was ever truly communist is a debate for a different time). Yes there were great things about the 1950s but not enough to make me want to live there.

Oh and just for the music debate from a few pages back about modern music being repetitive & tuneless. While I might agree with certain things, I also think that listening to anything non stop would lead to this view. Imagine the Ink Spots released "I don't want to set the world on fire.." today, so you could hear it on the radio, buy their latest album etc, etc... How long to get bored of it? We all need some variety.

Yes we do all need some variety but this "variety" we have today is just terrible(IMO). Every time i hear it on the radio i cant stand it anymore. I would so much like to listen to 40's,50's,60's,70's,80's,and early 90's music. Some people would think i would be weird liking songs from that far ago when im kinda young.(16)

You don't turn on the radio if you want "variety"

:)

True but sometimes you just hear and have no choice...

every genration the radio plays the same stuff.. whatever that "same stuff" is for that time period.
its easy o look back and pick out the songs we like from the past, but there was a lot of crap in all of those decades.
try looking at the billboard charts sometime.

Yah thats true but the stuff thats good blurs out the crap that was bad.

Well most the time I am a smart ass, but this thread and the number of people who think the 50's were good just makes me sad enough to be serious a moment. I should add here that I am not a historian but I am not stearing you wrong and hope you will look it up yourself (as that just makes since do not trust me thats for sure heh).

Race..... You know I suppose you may have to ask someone like George Takei (Sulu from S-T) about what its like being a American citizen who lost all rights and ownership privliages just because he was asian and was put into a camp (yes fallout mimics the real world) as he was put into one, though he was young but his parents lost everything. Or maybe ask the Tuskagee Airman (african americans) who gave there blood and lives fighting in WW-2 but were seggragated because whites did not want to serve with them and Jim crow laws were still in effect (for you young ones this means they could not eat at the same counter as whites had there own bathrooms and back of the bus seats in a nut shell its treated like dirt look it up was going till the mid 60's sigh) course you could break those rules if you liked getting biten by police dogs beaten and water hosed as that was the theme of the time.

Science/medicine?-Then again you might wanna ask the Tuskagee (not the same as the airman named for the place, though they all too happened to be african american go figure) study patients (oh wait you can not we let them all die) about how lieing to them about treating there disease but in fact just watching and studing the disease as it killed them progressed science. Or perhaps ask anyone lucky enough to actually survive a Lobotomy how exactly this was helping them? Heh this was its heyday after all..

Goverment... Good heavens please look up Mcarthyism cause if you do not know we are bound to repeat it.

sixual equality ( bless rosie the riveter for getting the ball rolling in a speadier fashion) but it still was an uphill batlle all the way. (you know I think its because men just secretly fear women wil find out there as good as them at everything... err except writting there name in the snow with pee and our egos are just so fragile we cant take it heh)

Sigh not that it was all bad but for heavens sakes we have come a Long way Baby (do not smoke by the way)

I feel the need to add for the most part my particular backround most would call me well Hillbilly or Poor white trash if your feeling mean as i grew up on a farm with an outhouse and drank from a well (heh for real). I happen to be male and Proud as hell to be an American, mostly because of how much we have grown. Thats first then course I am happy as hell of my Irish backround just wish we tended to fight a bit better when it counted heheh . (The irish have great leaders really but just do not do well as a whole whats the deal heh?? must be the drink)

Thats it I suppose sorry fo getting a bit real there

this si true. what i was getting as was that its true about the music of today as well.


happy tune hunting

We're getting way too much into real-world/political topics here. Given the nature of the topic I'm granting some leeway (some posts may need clean-up if I get the time,) but just be careful okay?

We're walking a fuzzy line here as it is. Just keep that in mind, and err on the side of caution guys...

Hey Nu Clear I would take it as a favor if ya removed my previous post. It was rash and far too real. That was just to heavy to be laying down I think in hindsight.

Just the good old day Goggles is kind of one of my buttons heheh. Not fraid of anything cept repeating the same mistakes we have allready done and rodeo clowns....

Nah, I think it's appropiate. People need to be real when looking at thing like this, not like "Oh, the 50's were much better because of the music. Sure, there were no equal rights to women and people of different skin color, but the music was better!"
People should bring up both good and bad, they exist in all eras, we have a lot of different bad things in our era while alot that was bad in the 50's has become better. Not saying that "the good of that time overshadows all the bad"

Fallout shouldn't progress past the 50's asthetic because the world ended when it was still in that period. That's what the survivors knew and passed on, etc.

Just want to say:

1) Pop culture is not history. Especially 1950's pop culture.

2) At no time will life be 'good' to all Earth's inhabitants. The 2000's have a mixed bag of positive and negative traits; comparing decades is pointless.

3) Nostalgia is based on memory and is therefore inherently unreliable. Late sixties, early seventies was the best time ever for me. Prove me wrong.

4) When you look back, it's best not to stare. (Tom Petty)

5) Cherry-pickers drop a lot of seeds. (Me)

I like the 50s for many reasons. Sure, they were not perfect at all, neither is modern times. It is just that the pros of the 50s are much greater than the cons. Note, I will also go farther back in time in my reasoning,

Music: Musicians actually had talent instead of autooning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHr4XQ9SEcg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2S1I_ien6A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amug2YDZGAc&feature=related

Genders: Now, I am not sixist. Both genders have their strengths and weaknesses. Both sixes do. Thinking that both sixes are 100% equal in every way is just plain wrong. Both of the genders strengths counter the other sixes weaknesses.

Mentality: Society today has the mentality of "what can my country do for me." Back then, it was, "What can I do for my country." My dad described a time when people were ashamed to be on welfare. Oh how those days have gone.

Fear of Communism: Now, some people (many actually) think this is bad. Well, I think that its good. Communism just doesn't work and is totally oppressive and evil. I'm not stupid either. I have done hours of research on the subject.

Morals: I heard on the news recently about some 8th graders having six. Now, why is that? Back then, that was completely unheard of. Divorce rates today are at 50 PERCENT! 50! Back then, you did not have people having illigitment children and divorcing 4 times.

(I tried not to be too political, but if I was, mods, feel free to edit.)