Well we all know that Fallout is based during the Sci Fi 1950s theme.

Do you think it would have been good if during the U.S. we stayed in that state of mind? Like how Fallout it and such. Do you think the world would be better or should just progress like we have?

Your opinions?

Everything was better in the 50s man, everything.

Hell no. There's nothing about it that leads me to believe that things were better then and would be better if those ideals were preserved. Hell, Civil Rights weren't resolved, the Red Scare, inferior tech, etc. There were several bad things about it. People often look at the 50s through idealized vision, whether it's because of nostalgia or not.



Also, if it's actually "like" Fallout, I think we all know how that would turn out. . . :nuke:

Well sans racism and sixism, then yes, oh boy yes.

Its not that bad once you look at it though. Get passed all the nuke dangers and such.

AKA: Rose colored glasses :tongue:


For Fallout, I think the 50's timeline is about as good as you're going to get.

In reality, even if the bombs fell and it is the end of the world as we know it, the the 50's mindset would still run it's course and progress beyond that in it's own post apocalyptic way. The 50's mindset would not last forever like it does in Fallout, but it does make for a pretty good game.

I have to say that the 50's is one of the most interesting time periods and the 60's of course

The 1950s mindset is gone in the Fallout universe for a kind of "Mad Max" one, unless you think the Punk movement Raiders seem to love existed in it.

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That's the thing, you're looking at the idealized version of it. Once you look past the bad stuff, any decade sounds pretty damn awesome, doesn't it?

In terms of society and culture, minus racism, it totally beats today.

Kids today don't "break up" in person, they just send a text message and then block communications.

But the real reason I like the '50s and such is the music. Got to love Marty Robbins

I agree with every thing you said. The 50's music is awesome..kids today dont know good music.

50's had some cool stuff.

But at the same time, the entire country was pretty paranoid overall.

B.S. It's actually a cultural taboo to break up through text message. How do I know? I'm in high school.

And Ace, "kids today don't know good music" is nonsensical. It really is. For one, they generally just know different music than you like. Just because you like it does not make it good. If you want to argue that it is objectively not complex or well-crafted music, well, consider Pop in every single decade. They all have the same intent, to appeal to the wider audience with current cultural elements and often more simplistic music and lyrics. This isn't absolute, but it is the basic idea of many labels in the industry. It always has been.

yes but the music today is just gibberish. Its mindless gibberish. So repatative, makes no sense, and half the time you cant understand it. And when you show the music from older decades they think it from mars or something.

pop music is genrerally getting shorter and shorter.
think of classical music.. then think of demlition man.. theres an arc of duration and complexity there.


but that is just pop music.

I'm sorry but 50's Rock 'n' Roll songs generally lasted for about 2 and a bit minutes, 3 if you were lucky. Doesn't stop it from being awesome though.... :hubbahubba:

Back on topic, no period is perfect, but I feel somehow we would be happier without iPhones and even the internet... :shrug: at the very least we would be blissfully unaware of rule 34...

Uh huh. Ever heard of a song called Tutti Frutti? Made by Little Richard, covered by Pat Boone, Elvis, and others? That makes no sense either. Though I still think it is a good song (Little Richard version, Pat Boone makes me want to vomit). Music doesn't have to make sense. Another thing you seem to be doing is basing the view of all music today on Pop. Soulful and artful music is being made. Even some Pop music falls under those categories. And that is the music that is remembered. There is tons of pop from every single decade that is not remembered and only has a very small niche of listeners because it is so unremarkable.

I'm confused if you mean in reality or in the series?

Series- I think there's no real Pre-War culture by and large, in Vegas maybe. But all in all, Pre-War splendors are currently only for the rich. The rest of the Wasteland holds to either a 'I just want a quiet life' frontiersman attitude, or a hostile anarchic attitude. I like to kill the latter.

Reality- In some ways, yes. In some ways, no. As homely and 'All American' as Pre-War world of Fallout America seemed. It was burgeoning with racism towards the Chinese. Did you not play Fallout 3? They had a detainment camp for Chinese in Point Lookout, and they had a trailer filled with Chinese corpses on their way to a detainment facility. Culturally? Sure, it looked beautiful, but at the same time, if we go by billboards, a country is perfect, but if you look into the lives of the peoples buying that product with the perfect chested/make uped face, we can see just how raw and real the pains of a day to day life of someone can be. Ultimately, Pre-War America's social cultures are largely unknown to us. I think we'd need more understanding of the Pre-War world for me to answer that.

There is some confusion on this subject, even gamesas seemed to not understand. Only the prewar world was the image of the 1950's "world of tomorrow". The post war world wasn't like that at all. The post war was more Mad Max/ Western town in tone and attitude. However in FO3 you have 1950's stuff all over. Having that along with the atmosphere it really seems like the game should be pre-Fallout 1 in the timeline. Anyway It's what sets Fallout apprat from all the other Sci-Fi RPG out there. So I think it's a good thing.

all modern Music is garbage compared to the classics

(Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Yasunori Mitsuda, Ect.)

with that said, I prefer some ska




nail on head. fallout 3 Look made it felt like it was set only a couple years after the bombs dropped. but its really 200 YEARS after. i understand the Capital wasteland was a dangerious place with mutants an all but comeon. there were thriving communities in the core region in 2161. thats just 84 years. it makes no sense that there would be only a hand full of people in 2 main cites in an population center like DC (even if there was like a 90% kill rate from the bombs)

It's hard to say what would or could or if it would be better if we set ourselves in the 1950's

If that was the time period we were born in, then we'd have no concept of the future.

Unfortunately for us, we have a bias opinion coming in from having lived or living in the 20th and 21st century

Yah really if you were born there you would have a far better idea of how it was and if you liked it or not. Heck i could always ask my grandma how the 50's were... :thumbsup:

I don t think it is possible for a free society with money not to progress.

Some 50's but not too much 50's.
More sci-fi influence.

America wasn't a free society in Post-1950s Fallout.