1st Person Experience : V - Skyrim

» Fri May 13, 2011 3:31 pm

best parts of dark messiah, far cry 2 and mirrors edge.

Exactly!

» Fri May 13, 2011 9:23 pm

I hope we get an actual body this time

like in dark messiah, man that game made my blood freeze when ever I was walking near cliff edges :cold:

» Fri May 13, 2011 9:28 pm

I want to see my body, and I want to see animations for everything I do.

There have been times I'v tried walking backwards off a edge in Mirrors Edge and the character will float in mid air.

» Fri May 13, 2011 3:17 pm

I find it silly when people say they don't want to see floating arms or anything....

Hold a sword at the ready, do you see your arms in your peripheral vision? You bet. Hell, as I type this I can see my fingers, hands, forearms and full keyboard in my peripheral vision...

» Fri May 13, 2011 10:38 am

I find it silly when people say they don't want to see floating arms or anything....

Hold a sword at the ready, do you see your arms in your peripheral vision? You bet. Hell, as I type this I can see my fingers, hands, forearms and full keyboard in my peripheral vision...

But they are not the focus of your vision. Television screens are not the same as eyesight, so it would be impossible to simulate realistic vision short of building a whole room with a massive curved screen in front of you.

» Fri May 13, 2011 11:39 pm

The entire screen is not my focus of vision. Infact, your focus of vision is extremely small. Also, I play on PC sitting no more than 2 feet from a 27in monitor. There is no way in hell the entire monitor is my focus, most of it in in my peripheral vision.

» Fri May 13, 2011 12:09 pm

I'd like Bioshock, Far Cry 2, and Mirror's Ede to be the basis.

» Sat May 14, 2011 1:38 am

I'm just happy there is no hud
Hope that makes as immersive as Amnesia :clap:

» Fri May 13, 2011 9:53 pm

I'm just happy there is no hud
Hope that makes as immersive as Amnesia :clap:

Amnesia FTW

I always have thought you should be more aware you're an actual character, visually as well as aurally. So I obviously support this.

» Fri May 13, 2011 5:04 pm

Farcry2 for the immersive animations in 1st person (healing animations i.e.).

Far cry 2's healing svcked.I get shot with a shotgun and then I pull a random spike off my ass and I feel a lot better suddenly.

» Fri May 13, 2011 6:59 pm

Just that. Full body awareness. Given how much they focus on including the menus in the game world, further than the PipBoy went, it would kill much of the atmosphere if we were a floating head and arms.

» Sat May 14, 2011 3:07 am

Something basic like Halo or Riddike(sp?) would work. Mirror's Edge is a bit different. The animations look good because they were exaggerated for 1st person. So when someone modded a 3rd person view into the game, the model looked super deformed as it moved about.

I was wondering about Mirror's Edge, because I thought it had a pretty good first person. Then I looked up the third person, and laughed my *** off. There's a point where too realistic trips and falls over into too unrealistic. I mean, if that's how Skyrim worked in first person, that'd be great. But for third person, switch over to something like Assassin's Creed or Fable.

» Fri May 13, 2011 3:57 pm

Something that makes me sad when people talk about games that did it right...there is NEVER a mention of "Breakdown" from the original Xbox.
Everything was done from first person. Shooting, driving, punching, blocking bullets, somersaults, eating, vomiting. It was all done in first person, in a very believable way. If anyone has an old Xbox or 360 you should really hunt the game down.

» Fri May 13, 2011 6:18 pm

I was wondering about Mirror's Edge, because I thought it had a pretty good first person. Then I looked up the third person, and laughed my *** off. There's a point where too realistic trips and falls over into too unrealistic. I mean, if that's how Skyrim worked in first person, that'd be great. But for third person, switch over to something like Assassin's Creed or Fable.

Well, that game was never supposed to be played in third person. Oblivion, too, would look very ridiculous if the first person animations were used in third person. Always walking around with the sword held straight up into the air. And we've already seen that this is not the case in Skyrim. ^_^
But what we have not seen yet are first person feet. Beth, spill the beans!

» Sat May 14, 2011 1:17 am

What do you want your experience to be like in 1st Person?

I avoid first person in RPGs when I can. :shrug:
I like it in shooters of course, but its just not the point in an RPG. In past TES games I play as far back in third person as is practical, and only resort to first person when the map design makes it all but impossible not to [tight caves and hallways mostly].

My real answer to the question would be, "non-existent", but FPP is a design intent of the series and should always be improved upon rather than removed. I just hope TPP play is still possible at all ~they crippled it bad on purpose in FO:NV, and the fix for that was the first mod I went looking for.

» Fri May 13, 2011 7:45 pm

I'm just happy there is no hud
Hope that makes as immersive as Amnesia :clap:

no hud mean an actual body is a MUST

because I don't want to be a floating invisible ball that hits stuff.

» Sat May 14, 2011 2:10 am

My preference is first person. Of course I've played plenty of games in third person but I am most immersed in roleplaying when playing in first person.

» Fri May 13, 2011 10:40 am

I would be surprised if Beth doesn't implement full-body awareness into their first person system. As others have said, it fills some of the holes when trying to "become" your character.

» Fri May 13, 2011 2:25 pm

I'd like to see feet. Not shoulders, since your character typically turns his/her entire body rather than just their neck. Hair/face gear would probably get annoying, but I'd accept it as a togglable option.

» Fri May 13, 2011 8:12 pm

I would be surprised if Beth doesn't implement full-body awareness into their first person system. As others have said, it fills some of the holes when trying to "become" your character.

Zenimax bought Arkane; I'm guessing they studied their games. Arkane's 'Arx Fatalis' had legs and a very believable FPP jump. (No TPP as far as I know

)

TES would greatly improve if they took the best of Arx Fatalis, and worked it into Skyrim. Oddly enough, the two games share the same climate.

» Fri May 13, 2011 7:11 pm

no hud mean an actual body is a MUST

because I don't want to be a floating invisible ball that hits stuff.

Yeah I don't wanna be a floating invisible camera either.
...
Given that 1st person haven't really developed in TES since Daggerfall (I think)... now is definitely the time.

Just watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu3mDxn9XSQ
So awesome. Although I think falls are a bit too much on the video. But still, very nice. Adds a lot to the game-experience

The video also makes me want climbing very bad

» Fri May 13, 2011 10:51 am

Just watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu3mDxn9XSQ
So awesome. Although I think falls are a bit too much on the video. But still, very nice. Adds a lot to the game-experience

The video also makes me want climbing very bad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3VnWYt9flM
Too bad the animations aren't that great.

Mirror's Edge is a great game (especially so in First Person). My one peeve, was that Faith is such a fantastic climber
but cannot climb scaffolding, ropes, and poles, unless they are red. She must do complicated jumps and slides in areas where she [visibly] should be able to climb up an easier way.

» Fri May 13, 2011 7:41 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3VnWYt9flM
Too bad the animations aren't that great.

It's not meant to be good either

It's meant to be 1st person. And it's awesome at that ^^

» Fri May 13, 2011 11:48 am

They need to make it like Farcry 2. I remember due to the epic 1st person-ness I was once COMPLETELY immersed. Like for real, I literally thought i was there, most immersed Ive ever been. (Excluding Morrowind ;D)

» Fri May 13, 2011 11:42 am

No thank you. Keep it the way Oblivion was.

The HUD is now removable