3rd & 1st Person Views / Free Running

Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:58 am

It would be nice if Skyrim had the first person view of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N1TJP1cxmo, where the camera is a little bellow the head and the First person view of http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SO2-u9WHRH4#t=13s, Where you can completely view your person front and back.

Oblivion's 3rd Person and 1st Person svcked in my eyes, but do you think that they should more like those two games.
Do you also think there should be some sort of free running in this game. It would make it alot better. And In some cases, some walls could be to slippery to climb.
There also should be a chance of falling or slipping if you stay there to long.

Ex:
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Athletics and Acrobates should be combined.

So at a novice level you can climb walls slowly with a 75% chance of falling
Apprentice level you can climb faster and stay on the wall with a 50% chance of falling
Journeyman level you can only fall with a 25% and you can use a 1 handed weapon while you hand on in place.
At at master level you can fall with a 15% chance of falling and can land alot more safely.

% counts for every minute.

also the longer you stay climbing or hanging the more you loose fatigue and start to slip.

vote and if you want to add on or change anything just tell me
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Lisa
 
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:24 pm

after I play brink I might want it. Until you see the game most of this is speculation. What fits and wont fit are matters of opinion. Best left undecided maybe until you actually play it,let alone see how the game works.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:53 pm

Hi ArcticKill, good idea for a thread.

I voted for the Mirror's Edge 1st person view, as it does allow us to see the character's movements with a little more clarity, without totally blocking up the screen. I'm not sure how you consider the Assassin's Creed video to be 1st person though...that's 3rd person view. :shrug:

From what I hear, Skyrim's 3rd person view (with a camera that rotates so we can see a 360 degree angle around our char) is fine. It would be cool if we could somehow "lock" the camera though, so aiming in 3rd person is more useful.

I'm also not sure what you meant by "allow free running and climbing". What's the "free" part supposed to mean?
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:15 pm

I'm also not sure what you meant by "allow free running and climbing". What's the "free" part supposed to mean?


"Parkour", but extra flashy. Look it up. That's what AC and ME both involve for moving about.

IMO, the stealth meta-archetype, and to a lesser extent the warrior as well, should have some capability in this. I just want to be able to climb. Note also that this is very demanding exercise, and fatigue limits should aim for more realism than most other games...but not too much.

[edit]Note that the person in the video linked to below (ty Frantic) isn't carring several sets of armour worth of mass and bulk.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:15 am

I'm also not sure what you meant by "allow free running and climbing". What's the "free" part supposed to mean?


I think he was thinking about something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSr1pozm6Y.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:23 am

It would be VERY sad if the "floating-camera in the air"-concept hasn't changed one bit over the 10 years of development.
Also, seeing as this isn't the hardest thing to do; you'd expect this even more.

Legs are not a must (although I see no reason not to implement it as well), but arms are at least. When we swim, we should see our arms. When we run, we should see our arms. When we jump, we should see our arms.
It doesn't take all the time in the world to implement, and it would add a lot more feeling and realism to 1st person view.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:03 pm

1. Yes - It's a must!

2. No - Haven't tried it :P

3. Yes, especially climbing.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:08 pm

I don't want the 1st person to be exacly like mirrors edge, somewhat in between TES and ME would do, though. Looking down I want to see my feet, lol.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:48 pm

1. Absolutely. Mirror's Edge had the best first person camera I've ever seen (love that game)

2. I voted no because I've never played it. And third person doesn't matter to me really :shrug:

3. In response to if climbing would be in the game Pete Hines said on twitter: "*Shakes magical 8-ball* Outlook not very good =("

I paraphrased that, but it's basically the same thing. So, I wouldn't expect climbing, much less free-running. Lore-wise it exists, there was a woman who climbed chapels for fun in Oblivion. You never saw it but you heard about it.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:31 pm

Let's not make Elder Scrolls into every other game ever. Let's let Elder Scrolls be Elder Scrolls and be unique. I don't want to play a combination of a bunch of other popular games, I want to play an Elder Scrolls game.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:06 pm

For the 3rd person, I would like more a camera like Resident Evil 4 or Dead Space (Over the shoulder view).

It's more solid for ranged combat.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:41 am

Let's not make Elder Scrolls into every other game ever. Let's let Elder Scrolls be Elder Scrolls and be unique. I don't want to play a combination of a bunch of other popular games, I want to play an Elder Scrolls game.

Exactly!

I play in both 3rd and 1st person view (depending on the situation) but I do not like how Mirror's Edge did it.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:26 am

-Other
Haven't played it.

-Other
Haven't played it.

-No
I train parkour in the real world, and only in its most practical and efficient form would it be a useful way for a hero to move through a wild landscape. Freerunning by its very nature involves tricking and acrobatics as self-expression or performance, which no serious assassin, thief or warrior would be silly enough to do while "working". Some characters might want to do it for fun, but it's then no more relevant to a heroic fantasy game than a sport like football or tennis.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:09 pm

Let's let Elder Scrolls be Elder Scrolls and be unique.


Climbing was in Daggerfall you know. And I can't see how adding a body to 1st person would make this into 'any other game'. I would worry more about the removal of certain "superfluous" RPG elements they are doing(don't comment on this!). :hubbahubba:
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:58 am

Yes to climbing, no to free run.

Free running is good for games like Prototype or Assassin creed but not TES.

Why? Because the main character is not a acrobatic god.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:03 pm

its the elder scrolls, not assassins creed, not mirrors edge. It needs to keep the elder scrolls feel.......free running is not part of that feel. And if you want to free run so badly, get your acrobatics up a lot. i use to jump from rooftop to roof top in bruma. they should NOT add free running though because it makes no sense in this game..They want you to explore the world, not spend all your time running across rooftops, they want you IN the buildings.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:53 pm

Oblivon was fine. I want to be able to see the feet though.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:18 pm

Climbing was in Daggerfall you know. And I can't see how adding a body to 1st person would make this into 'any other game'. I would worry more about the removal of certain "superfluous" RPG elements they are doing(don't comment on this!). :hubbahubba:

The point is this thread is saying "Make first person mode like this game and make third person mode like this game" rather than going for anything unique. If I load up Skyrim and find that I'm just playing Assassin's Creed, I'm gonna be angry. Sure, include climbing, include a visible body in first-person perspective, but don't make it identical to other games.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:22 am

Let's not make Elder Scrolls into every other game ever. Let's let Elder Scrolls be Elder Scrolls and be unique. I don't want to play a combination of a bunch of other popular games, I want to play an Elder Scrolls game.


This is not about making TES a copycat of other games.
This is about making otherwise heavily flawed parts of the game complete or better by looking at other games. Mirror's Edge is not alone with this.
It's like saying improving graphics is something that shouldn't be done, just because other games are doing it.

Take the 1st person view question for instance:
Would you want TES to be unique to have a crappy, unrealistic, outdated 1st person view, just so that it's unique?
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:57 pm

the 1st person in oblivion was like having a pair of floating eyes and arms gliding in the world, and the 3rd person.. no comment.

I want this ''i have a ground under my feet'' feeling in 1st person. A lot of FPS do this a good way (not like they have a choice).
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:31 am

You know... Let Beth get basic animations right for once (and a basic 1st person Halo-like body view). Let them walk before they run. I'm just excited to see how much Skyrim has improved. Period.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:53 am

Free running doesn't really sound like something I really need in the Elder Scrolls, but I do hope that we'll at least be able to see the player's body in Skyrim in first person, the whole "floating camera with arms" thing is an ugly mark on modern first person games that just won't seem to go away, you'd think with all the obsession over things like "immersion" and "realism", developers would do such basic and simple things as allowing players to actually see parts of their own bodies other than their hands in first person, but I guess that would make too much sense. I just don't see why so many games still don't do this, if done well, it doesn't really have any negative impact on the game, but it does make the game feel a lot more believable, and NOT having it is only going to get more jarring as the realism of games in other areas increases.

Third person also needs improvement, of course, but I'm most concerned with first person as that's probably how I'll play the game anyway even if third person is actually viable as the primary view point this time, and I don't have a concrete idea of what I'd like for third person, just overall "better" will do.

Let's not make Elder Scrolls into every other game ever. Let's let Elder Scrolls be Elder Scrolls and be unique. I don't want to play a combination of a bunch of other popular games, I want to play an Elder Scrolls game.


I wan't to play an Elder Scrolls game too, but no matter what, the Elder Scrolls is going to have some aspects in common with some other games, it's pretty much unavoidable, really, at this point, the only way a game can avoid this is if it's very premise is something that has simply never been done before, . And there are some aspects which past Elder Scrolls games didn't do as well as they could have been done, and sometimes, there may be other games that have done these things better, in these cases, it's perfectly understandable to use these games as examples of how you feel it should be, because this gives others a clearer idea of what you're asking for than just saying Bethesda should "improve" on this aspect, assuming players have played these games, of course, I haven't played either Mirror's Edge or Assassin's Creed, though fortunately, the topic starter was kind enough to include links to videos from the games in question, that was helpful. In any case, though, saying "Bethesda should improve the first person view." is kind of vague, how do you want to see it improved? If you provide an example of another game that you feel did it better, than we get a much clearer picture.

If you don't want the Elder Scrolls to have things from other games, than you should also take out character creation, combat, skills and equipment, because those are all things other games do, also, dialog needs to be removed, and so does gameplay and story, for that matter, because you know, those are things other games have, and since you're asking for the Elder Scrolls to be completely unique instead of doing things other games do, that means anything we'll see in other games needs to be removed. At least, that's what the "This is the Elder Scrolls, not [insert name of other game here]." argument implies.

Myself, I don't want Skyrim to copy other games, I just want it to be the best game it can possibly be, but there are some lessons that Bethesda can learn from other games which could help in making Skyrim that.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:12 am

This is not about making TES a copycat of other games.
This is about making otherwise heavily flawed parts of the game complete or better by looking at other games. Mirror's Edge is not alone with this.
It's like saying improving graphics is something that shouldn't be done, just because other games are doing it.

Take the 1st person view question for instance:
Would you want TES to be unique to have a crappy, unrealistic, outdated 1st person view, just so that it's unique?

Damn. "Heavily flawed?" If you consider any of the Elder Scrolls games' first person or third person perspectives "heavily flawed" then you have ridiculously high standards. I've never had any problem with any of them in any capacity.

In the poll itself it says if we want Mirror's Edge's first person to be in Elder Scrolls. It's a matter of how the issue is presented. In this topic, it's presented as "make Elder Scrolls like Mirror's Edge" rather than "make the character's body visible in first person mode, for example, in a similar way to how Mirror's Edge does."

You can call TES to be "crappy, unrealistic, outdated" all you want but there are still first person games released today that have no visible body and they're perfectly fine. If this is really such a big issue for you then you have your standards in all the wrong places.

What I'm saying is, I don't want people to say "I want Elder Scrolls like this popular game or that popular game." It's fine to take some inspiration from other games, but when you flat out say "I want Mirror's Edge's first person view in Skyrim" then I will disagree every time. I want something that doesn't make me feel like I'm playing another game.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:16 am

Other: Oblivion's was fine, and I don't even need feet. :shrug:

No: They claim to have worked on Skyrim's 3rd person, plus I play first-person and don't care about third.

No: As in just no.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:57 pm

Hi ArcticKill, good idea for a thread.

I voted for the Mirror's Edge 1st person view, as it does allow us to see the character's movements with a little more clarity, without totally blocking up the screen. I'm not sure how you consider the Assassin's Creed video to be 1st person though...that's 3rd person view. :shrug:

From what I hear, Skyrim's 3rd person view (with a camera that rotates so we can see a 360 degree angle around our char) is fine. It would be cool if we could somehow "lock" the camera though, so aiming in 3rd person is more useful.

I'm also not sure what you meant by "allow free running and climbing". What's the "free" part supposed to mean?


Free running is where you... here just watch the mirrors edge video and the assassin's creed video I posted. Just click the underlined text. Thats free running
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