Bethesda should consider going back to the 3rd person design of the previous Fallout games, an update to the format similar to the gameplay of Dragon Age Origins would be a welcome improvement. I am a diehard fan of the original releases all the way up to Fallout 3. What do you think?

Perhaps a side game from a different developer, but not from Bethesda.

I don't think it can sell enough in the current market.

I disagree, it just wouldn't have the wide appeal Fallout 3 has.

For some im sorry to say but this is the way of the future... Want a birds eye view game play runescape. No offense.

or go play Star Craft 2, or Diablo 3, or Torchlight, or every RTS known to man.

It can work, DA:O sold quite well, then again, I like the way it is atm, so I don't really care.

Backhanded review, but a positive one. :shrug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKHWOYXf_dE

(He's right, the narrator is awful.)

I personally found Fallout 3's third person the be usable, I don't understand peoples criticisms of it, but I'm an adapting person, so who knows.

Anywho, There IS third person view still. I think you're asking for Isometric view, not 3rd person.

I really only used it when I was exploring, once it was combat time I switched to 1st Person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ha1LJFJlaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wf_2V7wLkI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BtqrjfHSnA
I did not like that the PC always aimed at his feet in third person.

The flaw with that is that the gameplay of DAO was even worse than FO3 (mainly due to the horrendous amount of filler combat and encounter design, but still). I've long since given up on getting good gameplay from games that claim to be RPGs, but it's still a plus for it to not totally svck.

Ehhh, I couldn't stand 'Five miles away' Third Person (It's what I call it) I usually had it up to my PCs feet or hips. Usually feet. Also, I wasnt particularly impressed with a Fallout 1-2 UI put on F3, however, it's your game, your choice. Personally, if they reintroduced the F1/2 UI into any new Fallouts, it'd just be clunky and tedious.

That's how 80% of existing Fallout titles are; and how the Witcher and NWN 1 & 2 are. Personally the Witcher's implementation was pretty good IMO. and let you do all three (high-ISO, over-shoulder, and FPP).

Not supposed to be. That was a concept mod to see if it could be done. In practice the game has many roofless buildings, and interiors that must be played FPP.

Christ, his head moves a lot, and his pronunciations are very strange

It would have been nice if they let you "zoom out" further and into a mare isometric view, but free aiming would be a lot harder. :shrug:

Sorry Giz, I think I've missed your point on this one (I know you usually have great ones...) I mean the games a nice bit of eye candy (and yeah, I agree on the narator too) even if it does look far too much like H&MM.... I cant seem to find anything on sales figures though.

I'm not saying 3rd person games can't be good (we both know the truth to that argument ) but at the end of the day, its not us that needs to be convinced here - its Marketing. With a game like Fallout is now (non strategy RPG), the expectation of the Market I think is FP, and the expectation of the Marketing team is only FP will sell. I think its going to take some amazing game to break that mould and expectation, that game is going to have to hide from the marketing department long enough not to have it forced into FP, and I just can't see that game being made at the moment.

(now when maybe all games are DL and anyone can be their own games publisher at the same level as the big guys, thats when TP might be able to retake its crown. With Steam and iTunes leading the way, that day is clearly coming).

Sadly [I think] its true that the market here in the US is for FPP shooter based games across the board. Simple premise will always sell best; and you do not need to explain a first person shooter (especially if they are well designed). Sit someone in from of Quake or Unreal, and they'll know how to play in 3 minutes; Show them Prey, Halflife, or Halflife 2 and they will still learn the basics just as fast. But... show a game that incorporates indirect consequences and long term actions with no short term benefits and you lose a massive chunk of your audience (while likely impressing the hell out of those that remain).

I've been watching Disciples 3 for years (the series is almost as old as Fallout, and almost as revered by it's fanbase). The company that pushed it had faith in the market for it (even if that market was not the US). It is in Walmart, when Walmart has a 5' shelf of PC titles; That's quite a push I think.

As for sales... I was curious myself. I have read that some Walmarts have recalled the boxed copies of Disciples 3 (for an installer error ~that some think is just to mask poor sales); the Walmart here still has it on the shelf though. http://news.bigdownload.com/tag/elemental-war-of-magic is also on the shelves. (I know nothing about this one, but the fact that there are two TB games holding premium spaces, seems promising to me).