4th era empire : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:15 pm

So if there's a new emperor, does this mean they retrieved the real heirs that Jagar Tharn hid away since the doppelgangers were killed by Mythic Dawn?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:16 pm

So if there's a new emperor, does this mean they retrieved the real heirs that Jagar Tharn hid away since the doppelgangers were killed by Mythic Dawn?

I have no idea, if I had to guess I would say Jagar Tharn had the real heirs killed if they were ever replaced by doppelgangers.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:36 pm

Well, with the Amulet gone, i guess the Emperor is just a political figure instead of a mythical/philosphical/religious/whatever.

It was very recently reiterated on the forum that Septims are gone for goodd.

I?d really like it if the new emperor was just a pawn, and have The Elder Council calling all the shots. That would be a nice come-back to political intrigue topics in TES universe.

On the other hand, your question calls for some speculation on the coming novel, and I don?t want to get into that because I don?t have enough information to comment anything good about it.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:33 am

There are many people who are blood relatives of Tiber Septim, but it doesn't mean s**t. The Empire is over, and a new family will take over the empire, assuming there IS an empire left to take over.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:06 pm

I guess if somebody figures out a way to split the atom, they can create nukes and threaten every province to join the new empire or be destroyed.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:54 pm

It's more likely that the new dynasty earned it the old-fashioned way -- with an army of loyal soldiers or tribesmen. What will be interesting to see in Keyes' novel is where the new ruling family comes from. Anything is possible, except I don't think they will be Dunmer. More likely Morrowind will be increasing their autonomy from the rest of the collapsing empire, and trying to keep their economy running.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:56 pm

I will be slightly disappointed if it ends up resulting in the same-old-same-old of a Cyrodiilic hegemony. Though the name "Attrebus" certainly sounds Imperial enough...

I guess if somebody figures out a way to split the atom, they can create nukes and threaten every province to join the new empire or be destroyed.

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/viveccyrus.shtml Search for "Pankratosword" or "cut the atomos." How do you think Yokuda was obliterated?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:31 pm

Well, with the Amulet gone, i guess the Emperor is just a political figure instead of a mythical/philosphical/religious/whatever.

The Emperor wasn't mythological figure because he could wear the Amulet but he could wear the Amulet because he was mythological figure so I think that the absence of Amulet doesn't change anything.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:16 pm

The Emperor wasn't mythological figure because he could wear the Amulet but he could wear the Amulet because he was mythological figure so I think that the absence of Amulet doesn't change anything.

Or maybe an interaction wielder/item. With the item gone the wielder doesn?t have the same significance.

Plus, if The Emperor figure has the same relevance after the events at the end of the 3rd era, then what?s so interesting about the changes those events brought?

I mean, it would be pretty boring if no significant change took place on Tamriel after the Oblivion Crisis. Yeah, yeah the Septims are gone, but what are the repercusions? The Empire goes with business as usual? The Provinces dont take advantage of the situation?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:12 pm

The Amulet of Kings didn't give the emperors their power, though it was a token of it. They had a covenant with the gods, which is now finished (or completed perhaps). There will have to be new covenants if Tamriel is to be ruled by people with mythical significance.

The alternative is you have an empire with a powerful ruler, but he doesn't have the Mandate of Heaven. I don't think Bethesda will take that route, somehow. Another alternative is to have an interregnum similar to medieval Japan's "Sengoku Jidai". I think we'll know more after Gregory Keyes' upcoming two ES novels.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:16 am

The Amulet of Kings didn't give the emperors their power, though it was a token of it. They had a covenant with the gods, which is now finished (or completed perhaps). There will have to be new covenants if Tamriel is to be ruled by people with mythical significance.

The alternative is you have an empire with a powerful ruler, but he doesn't have the Mandate of Heaven. I don't think Bethesda will take that route, somehow. Another alternative is to have an interregnum similar to medieval Japan's "Sengoku Jidai". I think we'll know more after Gregory Keyes' upcoming two ES novels.

Is there definite info on whether the novels will be 'Lore' or an aside?

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:47 am

Is there definite info on whether the novels will be 'Lore' or an aside?

It has been included here:

http://www.imperial-library.info/history/4.shtml

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:25 pm

It has been included here:

http://www.imperial-library.info/history/4.shtml

Good news: in another thread, Celestina pointed out there's an excerpt from the novel on the Random House website.

http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780345508010&view=excerpt

Keyes' writing looks pretty good so far, the same as in his series "The Kingdoms of Thorn and Bone".

Run like the wind, tell the Elder Scrolls forumites!

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:28 pm

The Amulet of Kings didn't give the emperors their power, though it was a token of it. They had a covenant with the gods, which is now finished (or completed perhaps). There will have to be new covenants if Tamriel is to be ruled by people with mythical significance.

Uhhh...it was just Akatosh/Shezzar. Why would the Altmer, Nordic, or Tribunal gods even care about Alessia?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:14 pm

Uhhh...it was just Akatosh/Shezzar. Why would the Altmer, Nordic, or Tribunal gods even care about Alessia?

I guess that's true. Covenant with some of the gods but not all of them, then?

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:03 am

I guess that's true. Covenant with some of the gods but not all of them, then?

Yeah, though the conceited Cyrodiils probably are too dense to think otherwise.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:13 pm

Yeah, though the conceited Cyrodiils probably are too dense to think otherwise.

Yeah, covenant with just one god....

Good thing it?s the one responsible for the creation of Mundus

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:03 am

Well, so we know the name of the formative dynasty now, even if we don't know their future.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:11 pm

Well, so we know the name of the formative dynasty now, even if we don't know their future.

Seems so. I wonder if Titus Mede changed his name from something else. Also, could he have been a Legion officer? It would make sense that one of the Legion would see his opportunities at the same time as he could bring order out of chaos.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:57 am

I will be slightly disappointed if it ends up resulting in the same-old-same-old of a Cyrodiilic hegemony. Though the name "Attrebus" certainly sounds Imperial enough...

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/viveccyrus.shtml Search for "Pankratosword" or "cut the atomos." How do you think Yokuda was obliterated?

Maybe that link would help if I could understand what the hell the author is saying. It just looks like a bunch of verbose jibber jabber to me.
So elucidate me, how did Yukuda sink? Or get blown up

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:59 pm

Someone cut an atom.

Explosion happened.

Explosion hit Yokuda's Tower, Orichalc.

Destruction of Tower reduced Yokuda to a miniscule archipelago.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:36 pm

Maybe that link would help if I could understand what the hell the author is saying. It just looks like a bunch of verbose jibber jabber to me.
So elucidate me, how did Yukuda sink? Or get blown up

They learned how to cut atoms with swords. When you split an atom, a nuclear explosion occurs. That is how Yukuda sunk.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:07 am

They learned how to cut atoms with swords. When you split an atom, a nuclear explosion occurs. That is how Yukuda sunk.

You also need a proper chain reaction to get a thermonuclear detonation.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:50 pm

Yeah, you can't cut an atom with a sword. What's the big idea here? You can't even cut a grain of sand in half with sword, much less a dust ball, far less a cell or a mitochondrion, and far far less, a molecule.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:44 am

Yeah, you can't cut an atom with a sword. What's the big idea here? You can't even cut a grain of sand in half with sword, much less a dust ball, far less a cell or a mitochondrion, and far far less, a molecule.

The swords they're talking about are Shehai ("the way of the spirit sword"), swords of energy (pure Will) produced from the hands of the Redguard Ansei (swordsaints). Think of Jedi lightsabers, but more powerful.

http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b004_redguard.shtml