In the new sounds of skyrim video the camera briefly glances across some actors lines.

Here is a screencap with new lore info:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/thalmor.jpg/

I knew the Thalmor were behind it. Well that sums it up lol

Nice find btw..

It's interesting that the Medes struggle with the Thalmor did not end until 30 years before Skyrim.

That must mean it is still in recent memory.

Well relatively speaking it might be. We do not exactly dwell on the Vietnam war anymore do we though? However this seems like it must have been huge so I can say it probably is still quite fresh in the minds of Man and Mer alike. Especially seeing as how Talos was banished. However if enough wars happened in the Interim it might have been relegated to the back of peoples minds.

I would say that part of the reason why there are Stormcloaks and a Civil War is because Talos was banished from the mythic and was no longer allowed to be worshiped.

AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA

I KNEW IT! Also, looks like my guess was right, the war ended with a descendent of Titus.

Yep. I totally called this one.

I thought it was obvious. I would have been surprised if the elves weren't involved.

Imma worship Talos

WITH A VENGEANCE

We still dwell on WWII, and teach it to our kids three times before they finish school. The Dominion-Empire war was much bigger than Vietnam.

Hardly "dwell." We learn about it in school (only once in my experience) and make FPSs about it, and have the occasional holiday (for which we don't even get off school). It might be different elsewhere, but here, WW2 isn't much more than a history factoid.

I think WWII is still the mold into which the US would like to cast its role on the world stage.

As for the topic, it really makes me wonder how an altmer dragonborn can work, narratively speaking.

An Altmer saving the world is probably Shor/Akatosh/Talos trolling.

I think the Vietnam anology deserves some credit; it's quite apt in a social context.

That bit of script suggests that, like Vietnam, the legacy of the Concordat of White-Gold is a populace burdened by a sense of wounded pride, and feelings of betrayal and distrust toward those at the top. Perhaps this marks a major turn in popular perception of the Empire: concessions to the Dominion, stomping out Talos worship -- the Empire is not as strong as it once was, or once seemed. It might even be out of step with its own mythic project. Cataclysmic shifts in the form of mannish government are on the horizon, and the first rumblings might be apparent in TES V. Calling on Jurassic Park for illumination, these are the ripples in the puddle before the angry tyrannosaurus bursts on the scene to chase down your fancy jeep.

That's my anolysis, anyway. I hope it's not too trite or elementary, but I thought it was a potentially fruitful/interesting avenue of discussion.

We make multiple videgoames about it every year, make many movies about it, and bring its major leaders and factions up in arguments all the time. How long do you think you've ever gone between mentions of something from WWII? I'd say that the Nazi Party alone gets brought up once a week.

EDIT: I actually learned about WWII five times - elementary school, middle school, World History, European History, and American History

I've learnt about WWII almost every year I was in public school. That was where we always stopped at when summer came.

We barely got to the Cold War, if at all.

I suppose we disagree in the meaning of "dwell." To me, all the movies, video games, and allusions mean that it has become ingrained in popular culture, rather than that it is still remembered with emotion and meaning. It's not something we personally identify with (unless our predecessors had a particularly rough time of it). I would say that we truly dwell on 911 - the two weeks surrounding it seem to be nothing but coverage and remembrance of it, plus first hand memories and emotions for most of us. This is all from a U.S. perspective, of course.

P'shaw. Dubyadubya-deuce is like the essential mythic embryo which gave rise to the American self-perception as the altruistic saviors of the world. In a lot of ways, it's our Illiad.

Not popular culture. National culture, national consciousness and historical memory. We are obsessed with World War II, and not just for entertainment fodder. It provides us with a key image of the United States' role in the world and important political parables that politicians defy at their peril.

This is off topic now.

The rest of my post kind of mentioned that it might be different because it SEEMS bigger? It was called the Great War after all.

Besides we do not dwell on WWII. We practically celibrate it in the US. It was our moment of shining glory on the world stage. We do not dwell on it. We look to it as our inspiration for many things because we won.

The Empire and Talos worshipping Humans on the other hand might be quick to try and sweep this under the rug because it was an embarassing loss for them. Also they probably do not have the education system we have here over in Tamriel so I doubt that most people know much about it, other than "It was that big war they fought back in my fathers time."

However with the lifespan of Altmer we can expect MANY snobbish and particular tall mer to be wondering around full of themselves constantly reminding the humans how they lost. Justicars seem to be the force that supresses Talos Worship and may be the equivalent of the Mythic Dawn type of role in Skyrim. Enemy secret agents.

Stole my answer <_<

Also to note, altmer who live and/or were born outside of Summerset are not considered altmer to their Thalmor brethren, but a mongrel dog who got loose.

Also, isn't there the "Beautiful" faction in Summurset, the flower-children to the Thalmori Man who embrace Lorkhanic tendencies?

Yes. Its the Altmer attempt at being cool again.

"Damn kids and their rock and roll, wearing bright cloths, and that long hair! Get a job, hippy!"

I think the past tense is appropriate here. They were mentioned as existing a year before Oblivion, but, given the rise of the uberconservative Thalmor, I don't think they are a force anymore. It seems that dissidents like them would be the first thing wiped out.

It's likely the mention of The Beautiful is a hint for when TES takes place in Summerset Ilse.