I have a question, and this may have already been answered, but How do the events and quests of one game transfer into lore?
Take Oblivion for example, is the Champion of Cyrodiil also The divine Crusador, Head of the Fighters guild, Archmage of the mages guild, The new Sheogorath, the gray fox, and a member of the Dark Brotherhood?
I can see the Champion of Cyrodiil being the Divine Crusador as well.
But I can't see The divine crusador as being a member of the Dark Brotherhood.

There's a theory going around that they're all separate people but for simplicity's sake you can experience them all as the same character.

I believe he/she is only canonly the CoC, the Divine Crusader and Sheogorath. In lore, I don't believe the CoC can be all those things. Assuming he/she is all of those things is like assuming the Nerevarine was part of certain, non main quest related factions.

Ironicly i was thinking about this a few days ago and I thought how could he be all of those people so I thought it must be different people

I take the theory that the CoC DID do all that, but the CoC is completely insane to begin with (how else could the CoC act like completely different people all at once?). To make it even better, the CoC became the prince of insanity, so it still works! Hell, I could even say the CoC was Sheogorath all this time :chaos:

Thanks for the feedback, yall. I though it would of been a different person for all of them.

I do not think it will ever be mentioned in lore. The name of the CoC is not known to anyone. They know his face. This might lead to, in lore, them being written down as differant people eventhough they were the same.

I believe that the CoC, Divine Crusader and New Sheogorath are the same people but the guilds are unlikely.

It was all done by an anonymous person/persons that were foretold in the actual Elder Scrolls.

Though he be numbered a trillion, and he be a she, he is one and free. The Hero's faces are too many to count, and you are rightly confused. This is the same person, but many forms, across many universes.

Ok, everyone's pc belongs to the mosaic of the Champion. Though his name is obscured, we all know the story.

Guilds are normally ignored. Take Morrowind, for example. The Nerevarine wasn't neccessarily Arch Magister of House Telvanni. All we know is that he done everything in the main quest and the two expansions. I'm guessing it'll be the same for Oblivion.

Going off the idea that "Everything that could be done by your character canonically happened, but it wasn't necessarily your character that did it", might it be not incorrect to say that your hero, "The" Hero, is ALL Heroes?

Nobody knows who the COC is beause there are many varying descriptions of him/her. same goes for whoever did an action possible in the game. so the COC could have been the divine crusader and the Listener, but maybe not. it depends on your character.

You are the author of the scroll. Write your own damn story! Glitter also helps too, but I'm not sure if the moth priests will notice.

I think that CoC did all of those things, because he/she was awesome, and as such can do awesome things.

I like how the devs always leave everything so ambiguous that I could say that the CoC got killed by a mudcrab the moment (s)he stopped the Oblivion Crisis/became the Divine Crusader/became Sheogorath/etc., and nobody could ever disprove it.

Yeah...that's really clever of them.

Wut.

But you could never prove it either. Since your the one making the claim, the burden of proof lies upon your head.

A few books in game refer to past events, but twist them.
Take the thieves guild in Morrowind in game you can raise to the top, and with some thought the other factions that oppose them.
In Oblivion a book shows the lore events to have taken place from the other guilds view, with a small loop hole that is common in TeS ( maybe ).
As in maybe he escaped certain doom, maybe he set it up to look like thats what happened, and in the real Beneziah series a past player character is mentioned often, but all the little details are retro fitted around how the next in the series is to play out.
In an effort to distance player actions from what the devs intend to do, but maybe not what they intended at the time.
Being often different people from the first team involved.

Its very common to find these tricks in potential cult medium, change the past, leave things vague, and bring in new stuff to dazzle the enraptured enslaved minds / Sorry I mean fans.

Yeah the Incarnate being able to join the Legion and still being able to unit the natives of Morrowind always bugged me.

Salzman in accounting, if I recall.

Congratulations, you now understand mantling and the foundation for the Enantiomorph.

Crazy theory incoming

So,I was wondering how it would be possible to do all that and I wondered....what if CoC is Sheogorath's child?

I'd guess that canonically, the Champion of Cyrodiil also completed the main storylines of Shivering Isles and Knights of the Nine, in the same way, I believe that the Nerevarine also completed the main storylines of Morrowind and its two expansions (in fact, the story of Tribunal kind of has to be completed by the same person as the one who fulfilled the Nerevarine prophecies for it to make sense.) as far as the non-mainquest related faction questlines, I don't think it's ever said if these quests were completed by the same person as the main quest or not, so I'd say that it's fairly ambiguous and is up to players to decide. While those events probably actually happened, they don't necessarily have to have been fulfilled by the same person as the one who was central to the main storyline. So yes, I'd say the "Those things happened in canon but might not have been done by the same person." theory is sound. It's kind of like how the games talk about the deeds of the player character in the main quest, but are vague as to details like the character's race, six, class and such.

The practical thing about it all is that as long as people won't talk too explicitly about the former PCs, which they tend not to do, there will never be a problem and we can each determine to what extent the Nerevarine or Champion of Cyrodiil was involved. We may know that the Nerevarine was both Archmage and Legion Knight. Other people know it too, they just don't talk about it.

There is something very common in Divine Crusader and Listener of Sithis, .