About the "Premium" Maps : V - Skyrim

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:07 am

It pains me when people pretend to understand corporate law as it pertains to a specific issue without actually doing their research.

It pains me to see people drop terms like "corporate law" to try and sound knowledgeable when they then don't even critique, discuss or bring up a point which relates to corporate law.

Every single promise Bethesda issued regarding pre-order content contained a disclaimer to the effect of "while supplies last," which translates to "not everyone gets it."

Nope, there were definitely instances where it was said that all pre-orders would receive the map without any "while supplies last" disclaimer, such as in an interview with Todd. All a claimant would need is a copy of one of those instances.

And to respond to your previous point, lawsuits need to be over a somewhat significant sum of money. The last I checked, US law required a minimum of $20.

Lawsuits don't have to be over money at all, and as I said, "class-action."

As to your argument that people may have chosen to get a digital download as opposed to a physical copy due to pre-order promises Bethesda made: they still have no monetary grounds to sue Bethesda. Bethesda didn't make more money off of physical pre-orders than they did off digital downloads, and the businesses who would be affected had nothing to do with the pre-order maps.

In regards to the subject, it's wholly irrelevant how much money Bethesda made from what.

And you absolutely would need a lawyer. Unless you planned on spending the next year going blind on paperwork filed by an actual legal team that can actually read the (very much not black-and-white) laws regarding false advertising.

Funny, I didn't need one and I successfully sued. I guess you just don't know what you're talking about. Go figure.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:08 am

Sounds like you're the one talking out of your ass. You didn't disprove a single of my points.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm TELLING you that this is how the law works, you can't just sue because you feel like it. You sue when you lose something due to somebody else. Nobody has lost out by receiving the paper map.

People on this forum need to know the rules before somebody does something stupid and ends up paying court fees over a piece of paper.

Again, your retort skills are lacking, and it looks like all your points were contested, if not disproven. And even if they weren't disproven here, they're still wrong. Your 14-year-old impression of law doesn't apply in courts.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:09 am

Pretty sure it was advertised as only limited quantities available

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:46 am

Nope, there were definitely instances where it was said that all pre-orders would receive the map without any "while supplies last" disclaimer, such as in an interview with Todd. All a claimant would need is a copy of one of those instances.

If such an instance exists, wouldn't an argument of "I bought it because of the map" stand in court?

It would translate to "they scammed me into buying something and I don't get what I bought"

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:25 am

Again, your retort skills are lacking, and it looks like all your points were contested, if not disproven. And even if they weren't disproven here, they're still wrong. Your 14-year-old impression of law doesn't apply in courts.

No, you didn't answer them. You just said "Wrong" or "flawed" without any explanation or backup. The law isn't as clear cut as you seem to think it is with regards to courts and penalties.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:19 pm

If such an instance exists, wouldn't an argument of "I bought it because of the map" stand in court?

It would translate to "they scammed me into buying something and I don't get what I bought"

No it wouldn't.

It was advertised as coming with a game and a map. People got a game and a map.

They then said (on top of the above) that the first production run would have a textured map while stocks last. Nobody was scammed, they warned that there was a possibility of getting the gloss map and not the textured one.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:22 pm

...A million dollar team of lawyers can't turn an un-delivered and promised sales incentive into a delivered one...

A million dollar team of lawyers, or even any competent first year law student, would look at the opposition's case and challenge its weak points. No need to even approach the delivery of the map.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:24 am

Gstaff stated premium maps were of limited quantity the day he himself announced them, months before release.
Buck up, champ. Someone had to draw the short stick.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:25 pm

Lawsuits don't have to be over money at all, and as I said, "class-action."

I'm just going to ignore all the other points because you demonstrate a complete ignorance of legal procedure with this ridiculous sentence.

Lawsuits, regardless of how many plaintiffs are filing suit, have to be about money. Period. You cannot sue someone without seeking monetary compensation. I would have assumed someone as experienced with the legal system as yourself (one lawsuit clearly makes you more qualified than anyone who's studied this stuff for years) would have known that. My mistake.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:46 am

If you seriously think that complaining about the quality of your map would stand up in court (even a small claims court), you're simply [censored]. No lawyer would take the case for a start.

Beth already said it was for the first production run of games only, so not everybody would get them. They're lawyers would DESTROY a greasy nerd sat in a courtroom, crying into his glossy paper map.

I'm not sure there's any minimum limit on misselling and such, whatever "they're" lawyers might wish to contend. I'm not entirely certain what's to be gained from trivialising someone else's loss.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:06 am

EA is a little different. They promised an extra game with your purchase of BF3, advertised it, then totally went back on their word and just said "nah, jk".

I don't remember Bethesda advertising a map - but even if they did, did they specify what kind of paper it would be printed on?

Thats because they didn't advertise it for pre orders unless it was the collectors edition. I've been watching this game since its been announced and nowhere, even when I pre ordered at GameStop, did they say "You get this textured collectors map with your game". Someone is probably just trolling.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:27 am

I am not re-opening, and will be handing out warnings for the flames in this thread.

I will ask the CMs about the OP's statement from customer service. Doesn't sound like something they would say