I pre-ordered and bought two copies of Skyrim (one for myself and one for my brother as a birthday gift), the copy I open contained the normal magazine-gloss paper map. I called Bethesda's tech support line twice in hopes to resolve this error and both times I received a similar answer "Your copy is suppose to come with that map, the glossy map, all PS3 versions of the game came with it." I let it slide for a while until I gave my brother his copy and found out that his in fact came with the "premium" version of the game. So called Bethesda's tech support line today (11/24/11) and this is the answer I got "Due to limited quantities some copies (PS3) were shipped without the "premium" map and some were shipped without maps at all." So I asked the guy what is the company doing to resolve this? I mean you shipped copies of the game without a map in the box at all? His response: "From what I know, nothing." Nothing.

TL;DR

Bethesda shipped games without 'premium' maps or maps at all and according to their tech support Bethesda has no plans to resolve this.

The purpose of this is informative with a bit of a rant on my part.

Wow. That actually does svck a bit... :confused:

If I got no map at all, I'd be screwing. All the copies where I work had premium maps, weird that as I thought they were pre-order only....

When did you open your copy and who did you order from?
Since this is the first time I've heard about this, it may be that you got it from a second run.

With sales figures it is difficult to have a premium map. The premium versions were limited. Same as for collectors editions.

I didn't pre order just bought in a supermarket a week after release and my map isn't glossy it's textured so i guess i got a premium map? Wierd.

False advertising. Sue them for all of us. Might be a million dollar class action lawsuit.

Lol.

Yeah. I'd love to hear that one in Court.

"Next in court, the serial killer who eats the hearts of his victims."

"Actually judge, fist we have the case of the guy who is sueing because his pretend game map was printed on the wrong texture of paper."

Grow up, seriously

:rofl:

what's a premium map
is it the rough textured map?

cuz I got one with my normal purchase of the game for the 360
no pre-order or special edition or anything

Yeah, I went to Gamestop the night after it was released, and was pleasantly surprised to find a map inside. It was also the textured version.

That kind of svcks, but we're not seriously talking lawsuit, are we? I mean, EA is facing a class action for not including BF1943 with copies of BF3, as they promised to do....but I think that's a little bit different than a map on the wrong texture of paper.

Advertising false sales incentives is a crime. It has nothing to do with what the sales incentive is, whether it's a toy or expensive equipment. EA is currently being sued for the same thing regarding unfulfilled Battlefield 3 preorder bonuses.



Shut up. Seriously.

I bought on Steam. Where's my paper map!!??!!??

Oh, right... who cares?

That'll be interesting, since most lawsuits have to be over a sum of at least $20. Unless people are arguing they wouldn't have paid for the entire game if they'd known they wouldn't get a different map. Which any judge with half a brain would laugh out of court.

Also, I'm fairly certain Bethesda covered themselves pretty thoroughly on the "limited quantities" front.

EA is a little different. They promised an extra game with your purchase of BF3, advertised it, then totally went back on their word and just said "nah, jk".


I don't remember Bethesda advertising a map - but even if they did, did they specify what kind of paper it would be printed on?

If you seriously think that complaining about the quality of your map would stand up in court (even a small claims court), you're simply [censored]. No lawyer would take the case for a start.

Beth already said it was for the first production run of games only, so not everybody would get them. They're lawyers would DESTROY a greasy nerd sat in a courtroom, crying into his glossy paper map.

I haven't heard of any minimum price on a lawsuit, and it wouldn't really make sense since you can sue for non-monetary compensation. Additionally, a class-action suit would be large. And they'd argue that they would've bought the game from a different source, like digital download, if they'd known about the map. Can't see what a judge would find about that to laugh out of court, it sounds pretty straightforward. How important the issue is to you or anybody doesn't come into the equation, law is black and white. Law verifiably broken? Then there's a penalty.

I don't have half a care regarding a map, but it's painful to watch a foolish ignorant on a forum pretend that they know something about law based on watching movie lawyers act and talk intimidatingly. Law is made to be as un-ambiguous as possible, and the law regarding sales incentives is very clear. A million dollar team of lawyers can't turn an un-delivered and promised sales incentive into a delivered one. Bethesda said all preorders would received the burlap map, afaik, and all a claimant would need is one instance of them saying so for their proof. And there are a dozen lawyers willing to take any case that you're offering to pay for... not that you need a lawyer.

And I'm not advocating suing. It's just straight forward and factual that if a sales incentive was not fulfilled, there is grounds for a claim, and courts do receive and process similarly insignificant issues. If you pay to file your claim, you'll get your case heard.

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It's still false advertising regardless of how stupid it sounds to you =]

Actually they had promised a cloth map to those who pre-ordered. When I got mine and found that it wasn't cloth but textured paper I was a bit disappointed, but ultimately I don't care. I also bought the big ass game guide, which came with an actual useful map, with detailed locations, and reference points.

^this.
the whole reason i preorded is because i wanted a burlap map.

It's obviously you that doesn't understand law, or you've watched too many TV shows and think you do.

For a case to stand up in court you have to prove that you have made a loss due to Beth's mistakes. This is usually financial. Nobody has lost out by receiving a map printed on different paper, especially when nobody said that everybody who pre-ordered would get one, it was the first production run.

You can't say that you would have bought it from somewhere else should you have known about the map you had just received, as the item has no monetary value. It isn't sold on it's own anywhere and people pay the same for the game regardless of the type of map provided. Nobody advertised saying "We have the textured map and no gloss ones" as a reason for charging more than anywhere else, so you couldn't prove that you lost out.

So the best retort you could muster was to repeat exactly what I just said to you... alright. I have experience. But I didn't need any experience to tell that you're enjoying talking out of your rear.


If you mean financial loss, then you're wrong. But people generally do sue for something... such as not having received what was offered as a sales incentive.


Flawed reasoning.


... Bethesda advertised that the burlap map would come with all preorders, afaik.

It pains me when people pretend to understand corporate law as it pertains to a specific issue without actually doing their research.

Every single promise Bethesda issued regarding pre-order content contained a disclaimer to the effect of "while supplies last," which translates to "not everyone gets it." And to respond to your previous point, lawsuits need to be over a somewhat significant sum of money. The last I checked, US law required a minimum of $20. As to your argument that people may have chosen to get a digital download as opposed to a physical copy due to pre-order promises Bethesda made: they still have no monetary grounds to sue Bethesda. Bethesda didn't make more money off of physical pre-orders than they did off digital downloads, and the businesses who would be affected had nothing to do with the pre-order maps.

And you absolutely would need a lawyer. Unless you planned on spending the next year going blind on paperwork filed by an actual legal team that can actually read the (very much not black-and-white) laws regarding false advertising.

Sounds like you're the one talking out of your ass. You didn't disprove a single of my points.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm TELLING you that this is how the law works, you can't just sue because you feel like it. You sue when you lose something due to somebody else. Nobody has lost out by receiving the paper map.

People on this forum need to know the rules before somebody does something stupid and ends up paying court fees over a piece of paper.