The fallout community is clearly full of imbeciles. Besides, show me one person that agreed with me and has a 'new' account. You're just completely not interested in this suggestion and dismiss it like so many other idiots did. Why even bother to reply in the first place if you so obviously couldn't give less of a crap about a legitimate suggestion.

I've never played WOW, and I actually hate most MMOs other than EVE Online. But one thing MMOs do allow one to do is actually 'achieve' something. I like having fun and playing video games in my limited free time, but having something to show for it, such as wielding immense influence in EVE Online by being in control of a 3000 member corporation.

What matters more about my manner of thinking is that there are millions of MMO players who play to achieve. Fallout could appeal to them, broadening its fanbase. In terms of the leaderboard, which wouldn't really appeal to me personally too much anyway, it would be to target more competitive players who, regardless what you may think of them, want to measure their 'skill' and be the 'best' even though the leaderboards really might not be the most accurate way for that. People keep saying that it wouldn't fit in... well, then no new features would ever fit in in a sequel. There's little merit to that one reason people kept throwing about vividly; besides, a hard core, save game encryption sort of iron man mode would most certainly fit in, in that a post-apocalyptic world is meant to be difficult to navigate and would add in danger to ANY encounter, no matter how 'meh' it would have otherwise been if you could load back a save and what not.

For me personally, it would be nice for Fallout to have something to legitimize someone's save games. I love achieving in everything I do, be that sports, qualifications, work, or gaming. But that is my own opinion; in terms of objective reasons why it would be good for Fallout to include such a relatively easy-to-implement feature would mostly be business-oriented: make the game appeal to more people without stepping on the toes of other sorts of players.

And for that one other cretin who said I have no argument, well, he still refused to give any reasons to oppose my suggestion, even though my initial, first post has a crap ton of arguments anyway; which again, he ignored. If you people want to oppose this suggestion, if you want to look anything more than just pure imbeciles to any half-witted person out there, try and argue against the points I've raised.

People either dismiss me as a troll, or when it comes to actually supplying logic and reasoning to combat mine, they just start raging at how my personal opinion in gaming, even though separate from the suggestion, is stupid, and call me 'sad' for having a sort of opinion of gaming shared by millions. That in itself is the epitome of 'pathetic'.

And I really should just quit this thread as no one is interested in actual constructive talking and debating; just the bashing of something they do not immediately identify with... and people wonder how the world as a whole can be such a [censored]hole.

The game is about telling yourself a story and there is no metric that would allow anyone to measure how good the story they tell themselves is vs the stories others tell.

'Achievements' goes counter to the the story telling objective by incentivizing activities that have nothing to do with storytelling and encourage achievement grinding. Most players of role playing games ... at least those who know what role playing is ... naturally object to the devs focusing on 'features' that are counter to the whole purpose of the game.

What I find really appealing is lack of canned ham content. We have seen zero! Millions and Millions of people the world over enjoy in the immeasurable wonders of this delicious and sustaining meat product. Sure we have cram...but that is no substitute. It is an egregious sin for it not to be in the game. Think of all the people it would bring to this idiotic community of peasants and plebes.

Edit: I hope they stop everything and put this in ASAP. If not, patch it day one. Further more, if I cannot play as a Canned McHamm, the sole survivor, I'm not sure I will buy this product! FOR SHAME!

You going for that "Banned From Forum" achievement?

Yes, coming on a Fallout forum and calling people imbeciles is the way to get people to back your ideas lol I really don't understand why you even bring up MMO players. This is NOTHING like any of those games and shouldn't even come up in conversation. Fallout has never been the kind of game I'd think someone would boast about achieving anything. Your "arument" is falling on deaf ears because, as you can see, no one is backing you on wanting a leaderboard or any kind of "way to go kiddo" achievements. And most of us fall on using the same answer to your argument, it will take time and resources from creating a better single person (non competitive) experience. You may think something is "easy and simple" to implement but it may not be. Why waste the time when it seems very little (see: only you) have asked for it? I want rideable fire geckos, WHY CAN'T I HAVE RIDEABLE FIRE GECKOS. Actually, I'd bet we could get that done before the feature you're asking for

I laughed loudly at work when I read this. No save points, ironman, gotta start a new account.

I assume that's what happened to him already, seeing as the OP created the account the day of posting this thread.

Banhammer: Tempt Fate By Insulting The Fallout Community [9/10] 90%

Can you imagine how crazier the forums will get if forum achievements are introduced? There is already a certain level of insanity on any public forum, but this might push the forum to Lovecraft levels of insanity.