Here here!!!

What the OP is wanting is just silly...Hate to say it some people are achievement [censored]s lol. Look at Diablo 3 Seasons and ask if you think that's a fun time watching all the botters cheat there way to the top.

And who the hell are we going to compete against?

Again the OP is laughable really.

*sends RG a box of donuts*

There is a certain cheat program that is easily available and it can be used to gain various achievements by just finding certain memory addresses and changing the value. The whole concept of achievements and leaderboard is invalidated by this program unless all information is stored on the server instead of the client. Which is the reason why this programs doesn't work on MMOs.

This... This is how single player games die..

Not to say this is the only way though, but this is one way.....

Agreed. Op bethesda games might not be for you. There are plenty games like what your describing give them a try.

Having read the post, I don't see the appeal of the idea at all. I don't get what it adds. I don't get why anyone would want it. I find leaderboards in noncompetitive games to be stupid, and the entire thing seems like a waste of time, money, resources, and effort that could be better spent making the game fun. To me, it's the equivalent of asking Bethesda to provide everyone who buys Fallout 4 with a pumpkin, because then they can have a pumpkin when they play Fallout 4, and all the fun that comes with playing Fallout 4 while having a pumpkin.

Actually, upon reflection, getting a pumpkin with Fallout 4 would be preferable to me. At least that has some kind of use and value as opposed to the worthlessness that comes from seeing that smallHANDSnobutt8392 is currently ranked 49 in terms of bottle caps.

Personally, I find achievements to be a huge detriment to video games. For one thing, they put an end to a lot of the fun little cheat codes developers used to sneak into games for giggles. But for another thing, it turned playing noncompetitive games into contests, allowing people to brag and go "I played the game better than you!" because they went out of their way to do something not fun. It's the developer "grading" you, implying you played wrong if you didn't get all the achievements because your percentage is lower. And for what? A little icon? Time was you were rewarded for accomplishing things in a game with a reward in game, or you did stupid things like climb to the top of the world and throw yourself off it for you. Because you were trying to find outside the box ways of amusing yourself. Now, those things have become standard achievements, standardizing the experience and removing the organic and fun elements of it.

No. Doesn't fit the game. I don't see it ever becoming a part of Fallout.

Pat yourself on the back every once in a while?

Here's an idea for you if you want that big of a personal achievment you can brag about. How about starting a new game on Fallout 3 or New Vegas and setting all your SPECIAL stats to 1 or 2 and then also playing on hard or very hard while never using healing. If you're that desprate for a challenge then make one for yourself that's what makes Bethesda Games fun is that they give you freedom to do a lot of things. Don't cry when life gives you lemons instead make something out of them.

I think the poster has the wrong idea about the fallout franchise, you can make the game how ever challenging you feel it needs to be by either setting your s.p.e.c.i.a.l. stats to some bad value of 1 or 2 as someone else has pointed out, or add mods to improve difficulty to such a degree it becomes a big enough challenge for you and go play that to your hearts content.

You can change the game so much it would make us average players run away screaming, since we just want a good experience and some good rpg action in the games universe, and Achievements be damned.

I see the appeal of an ironman sort of mode, but the problem with that in Bethesda games is that people really need to be encouraged to keep multiple saves just as a contingency for when something bugs out. I think it's better to just self-enforce that here, that way you won't get screwed when your Ironman save gets borked from a broken quest or you get stuck in a wall or something.

I think we should remove the save feature altogether. Full restarts from the beginning on death as well. Cuz if you can't 100% the whole game without shutting down, you haven't achieved anything

lol

The worst would be nearing the end of the final quest and then you enter a new cell to finish it annnnddddddd.....CTD!

Do not pass go, do not pat yourself on the back. Man up, and start over.

Indeed. My sentiments exactly if that was my goal for the day anyways. Although if that scenario happened I would likely spend 20 or more minutes raging and almost smashing something with a bat before calming down and starting over. Lol

error does not compute! ERROR DOES NOT COMPUTE!! TASK IS IMPOSSIBLE BUT TASK MUST BE COMPLETED BUT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE BUT MU( head explodes ).

So they can go on forums and "prove" to us scrubs what Special Snowflakes they are. It's meaningless anyhow as there are people who can and do pay others to play the game for them.....before I ditched Destiny they were even advertising their services on the Bungie Forums.

Is the implication here intended to be that people who use mods, use them with the intent to make the game easier for themselves? Because if so, I have a few popular mods to suggest that would turn that around. Such as a hardcoe mode which takes into account detailed caloric and nutritional intake.

Or is the idea just that anyone who uses mods is not playing the game "the way it was meant to be played."

Either way, those are ridiculous sentiments.

If people want to prove that they are a special snowflake, then there are far more effective ways to prove it than getting in the top 10 in a Leaderboard. Doing Charity in a Third World Country is probably the most effective way to prove that someone is better than others, but working at the local Soup Kitchen is not as effective, but certainly a lot cheaper.

If you do those things just to prove yourself to others, you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

True, but the people you help don't care if you do it for altruistic reasons or just to make you look good to others. In the end, helping others is the only thing that really matters for Charity not the reasons why it was done.

Is the OP asking for an ironman mode "achievement". Am I missing something? I don't get the point of achievements......period. If the decision whether or not to play a game hinges on whether or not that game pats you on the back and tells you how wonderful you are for doing something in the game then why not just play Super PSTW?

Also, many of the most popular mods make the gamer harder, not easier. Marts Monster Mod, FWE or Project Nevada, Requiem (Skyrim mod) Frostfall and so on all make the game harder. If someone plays without mods I am inclined to think that the game they are playing is significantly easier than the one I am playing.

Sounds like it. Achievements are for completing personal challenges or bragging to your friends. However, some achievements are used to embarrass players like losing 20 online matches in a row or looking up the female protagonist's skirt. Completing Nightmare difficulty with no deaths on the Xbox One or PS4 would impress almost anyone since it is so easy to cheat on the PC. However with Fallout 4 having mods for every available system, achievements and leaderboards are completely meaningless due to the presence of cheat mods. Players will want to use mods to make the game more challenging, but there is no way to prevent cheat mods. So the only way possible would be to remove the use of any mod and hope that the hardest difficulty is actually challenging for them.

Except that this is Bethesda not From Software. Hard mode in Bethesda games is easier than normal mode in my modded games for example. I play Skyrim on adept or expert (whichever one equlizes the damage) but I use SkyTweak or Requiem to change the weapon and spell modifiers so that everything hits harder making fights much more brutal and fast. Couple that with ASIS which increases the number of spawns, Deadly Dragons or Requiem to make Dragons significantly harder and I have a game on adept or expert that laughs in the face of the vanilla hard mode.

I don't care if they add achievements in fact I want them to because even if I don't care about them someone else does and I want everyone to be happy. That being said achievements like "Beat the game on hard difficulty with no mods" don't mean anything because I would just assume they couldn't handle the harder mods and had to play on vanilla in order to finish.

An "ironman" achievement would be about the only meaningful one but even there, did they finish the game like a normal player or did they do a 15 minute speed run like I have seen on youtube? I play ironman games myself or I will limit myself to one save per hour or only saving at home with no fast travel etc. I however, do not have any need to run around and yell "Look at me! look at me!". I am not 12 years old.

But the thing is that cheat mods make hardcoe mods pointless.

Nom Nom Nom!: I beat the game using an extremely hardcoe mod.

Some Loser: I also beat the game using the same hardcoe mod. Praise me. Although I did use an extra mod that gave me 1000 DR, but I will never tell anyone that.

People are allowed to play the game however they want, but they shouldn't be surprised when others call them out on their BS.

That is also true. That is why achievements in this or any singleplayer game that can be modded are pointless. I don't mind them being in there if it adds an extra goal for someone to shoot for but if anyone runs around saying that they got this or that achievement I have no idea whether or not they are telling the truth. In fact many games have hacks that give you all the achievements without even doing anything. Achievements are just silly and meaningless. Even in multiplayer games there is still a ton of cheating going on. WoW just banhammered a whole bunch of people a couple months ago for using hacks like Honorbuddy.