perfect explanation. :goodjob:

Yet its in both.

Funny you mention that cause all I hear is whining about features that you don't even know are in or out of Skyrim.

Can you just go away and come back when you're willing to accept that other people may not agree with you. I even agree with you. I think that there should be some way to jump higher and run faster in Skyrim. I'm not running around telling everyone who disagrees that they are noobs who've never played TES because they don't know the "lore". Grow up. Seriously. Come back and make your own damn thread when and if it's actually confirmed that higher jumping and faster sprinting are out. Until then you're just an arrogant child that isn't willing to accept anyone's ideas but your own.

What's in both? That acrobatics 100 makes you jump super high? I don't remember reading that in anything related to lore or canon

This is basically what I've been saying all along...


Tell it! :biggrin:

Then read more.

I've found some books about people training their athletic ability (athletics) and about them training their jumping/maneuvering (acrobatics) but i can't find anything that says anyone has the ability to moon-jump or anything....

Why don't you just provide a source and I'll gladly retract that prong of my argument

Keep going, try Khajiit and Bosmer related books. Not to mention every trainer, item, and magic effect that correlates to higher speed, acrobatics, stamina etc. Not just books related to lore, although it is in there. Tales of Khajiits leaping rivers and trees, etc. Thieves hoping from building to building, or into a tree. These are not humans, and not governed bu Earthly limits, how hard is that to understand? There's arguably no gravity on Nirn. Depending on if you take Dawn Era events as ideologies.

No one said some races shouldn't be more agile than others Xarnac. Extreme moon jumping is not acceptable though and no book justifies it as far as I know. I'm not going to wait for you to toss us a link so you may as well admit that you're wrong and there is no such information to back your point.


Umm, I've seen humans do both those things in real life. I would consider them to be realistic and possible.

Funny fact. No matter how many books you read from TES series, Skyrim will not play any differently than Bethesda makes it. You can't argue about lore and disregard the creators of said lore. They can make anything they want a reality and there's no amount of books in the past games that will change that. You fail to read every single time I post this but here it is... one more time...

Argonians are different in Oblivion than they were in Morrowind. Enchanting was not a skill in Oblivion but it is in Skyrim. You can't say that game mechanics are part of the lore without recognizing the mechanics that break the lore from game to game. It's called a double standard, and you're using it to support your completely flawed arguments.

But all races are capable of all feats. That's an ES tradition that really cant be refuted. An Orc mage is retty rare, but its possible.

Plus, Nedic races are not Earth Humans.

Sounds kinda like Fiction. Like how The Odyssey, Lord of the Rings, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, or Harry Potter are fiction.

So they could be in-game fiction

I don't care about moon jumping. I'm just saying that there is no canon that says "an acrobatics skill of 100 means you can X". Maybe you can find a book that says Khajiit can spring like a jaguar. W/e, make it a racial ability and give them a penalty to skill or something. My point is that canon doesn't require acrobatics to be a skill any more than spear polishing being required character canon due to the Lusty Argonian Maid

Yeah, there's no reasoning with fan boys, whatever, Ill agree to disagree. people that know TES know whats up. There's nothing flawed in my reasoning or argument, you just dont know TES and want to turn it into Earth, which it is not.

I'm the fan boy? well alright, i agree there is no way you and i can reason.

Don't be so dismissive. He's actually correct in his assessment. When looking at a primary source you have to keep in mind the trustworthiness of the narrator. Many of the books in TES can be fantasy, hearsay, propaganda, or just plain incorrect. Not to say the sources you are saying ARE such, just that you can't dismiss his argument by saying "w/e, you are so illogical"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rltssW5VYxQ&feature=related

Now go join the "Arrogant, I'm always right, blah blah blah" forums. I'm sure they'd love to have you.

I didn't say they were. Please stop playing that card, it has no value here. I'm telling you that their feats in lore are completely realistic besides magic (which is acceptable). There are no historic Suthay-Raht that run 30 mph or Bosmer who jump 20 ft in the air. If you're such a lore tank, you should know this.


Kevin Bacon was definitely in Footloose.

Yeah, until gameplay mechanics corroborate the "stories".

I'll put it another way, before I go off to watch some Game Of Thrones... Why would you be against a gameplay mechanics that you can build entire RPs around? If you found no use in Acrobatics, or the ability to run fast, then thats on you. You didnt get everything out of the ES experience. The ability to perform otherworldly feats has been in since Arena. Natural ability that superseded Earthy limitations have been in since Daggerfall. Its part of the game. In all actuality I think they will find a way to put it in. If they didnt there will be hell to pay on release and not from me, the community.

I'm not against it. I'm just not against its removal. Also gameplay mechanics DIDN'T corroborate the stories. A khajiit with Acro 100 couldn't jump any higher than an Altmer with Acro 100. Also, why haven't you watched Game of Thrones yet?

I did get everything out of the TES experience actually. I've downloaded all the content, completed all the quests, and have had every skill up to level 100 at one time or another. Who are you to say I didn't just because I believe a game mechanic was useless? Your opinions are never right. They're simply your opinions. What don't you understand about that? Magic is the only other-worldly feat I need. Other than that, I want to play my character like a real warrior. Before you go ranting again, ask yourself this: Why didn't Tolkein give Aragorn the ability to moon jump or move like a cheetah? It's realism in a fantasy setting. Which is what I, myself want out of Skyrim.

^Already tackled the point of past-game mechanics.


I found use it those, only because it was a game that NEEDED those kind of things to get around the game world. If they create a world that doesn't need moon jumps (i.e. implement ledge grabbing/climbing) then I think that that is progress.

and you can run fast still... it's called sprinting... there's also a good chance the "stamina" attribute will trickle down into what was previously known as "speed" but i don't think there will be as much variance as before between lowest speed and highest speed.

not to mention perks...

So much wrong with this I dont know where to begin. This is not Middle Earth. You obviously didnt get everything out of ES because no one has. You can make any build, based on anything. An acrobat, a street performer, the Imperial court composer, you've RPed these? Whole builds can be built around acrobatics since levitation was cut. Although plenty can be built around acrobatics alone.


Who cares what that guy said, have you ever played an ES game? Gameplay mechanics of any kind are most certainly lore and canon.

Ugh there is nothing wrong with it. You're interpreting it wrong. I meant that Tolkein wouldn't have added such rediculous attributes to the characters because they hold no actual relevance to the plot or world. This is the same with TES. Why are you so eager to lash back? Think my posts through for a moment instead... and before you get ready to do so, don't blame me for your inability to comprehend what I'm saying.


Yes, they're made lore and canon to justify features that were implemented. And by the next installment, they're always changing. Didn't you learn this a few pages back?