Your posts are hypocritical, why would I need to read them? You dont even know what your talking about. rambling on about Tolkien, which has nothing to do with TES.


Pretty much, Im for addition, your for subtraction.

Lmfao! I'm the hypocrite? Give me one such example.


My Tolkien rant was merely to help your little mind comprehend something that should've already been obvious from the start.

Almost every post you make confounds logic. TES logic, plus natural logic. Making fallacious anologies etc.


What? That Middle Earth is Middle Earth and Nirn is Nirn? Nice insult by the way.



Because you have no idea what your talking about. Constantly changing your argument, selective reasoning etc.

Why? Because you can't understand them? I have to explain myself every other post. That's just sad. You clearly do not understand the meaning of the word 'hypocrite'.


Thanks. :biggrin:

Nice edit trying to fix a mistake I already called you out on.

Oblivion is low fantasy, Morrowind is high fantasy, LOTR is low fantasy, Shivering Isles is high fantasy

Nirn is High fantasy, end of discussion. oblivion met the definition of high fantasy, both definitions. Since Nirn, Mundus, the whole realms are totally fictional make all TES games High by definition. this cant really be argued. Go to the Lore Forum to see the results.

...and Middle Earth isn't fictional?

Skyrim has been confirmed to be low fantasy (if you didn't know). And Oblivion was never high fantasy...

Apparantly not, it takes place on Earth, an ancient, prehistoric Earth.


By definition, no TES can be low fantasy, unless they said Nirn is a planet in some known galaxy, or Earth etc.

Not to mention Todd said a low fantasy feel (as in a Nordic Skyrim), not exactly low fantasy. And all of the Vets jumped on that as soon as it was said.

Says what? Tolkien laid out a very detailed mythos for Middle-Earth that is incompatible with all of Earth's accepted histories/mythologies

Actually no it's not. I see your not a diehard Lord of the Rings fan. The place is called "Middle Earth" and it's a continent. It's a completely different world that has nothing to do with Earth.

Middle Earth was taken from the Norse Mythic-Age Earth. That is to say our world in a mythic age. Would have looked differently then.

Apparently you dont know about LOTR, Middle Earth is an ancient Earth.

I hate quoting Wiki, but what else will make them understand?

Tolkien wrote many times that Middle-earth is located on our Earth.[1] He described it as an imaginary period in Earth's past, not only in The Lord of the Rings[2], but also in several letters.[3] He put the end of the Third Age at about 6,000 years before his own time,[4] and the environs of the Shire in what is now northwestern Europe (Hobbiton for example was set at the same latitude as Oxford),[5] though in replies to letters he would also describe elements of the stories as a "... secondary or sub-creational reality" or "Secondary belief".[6] During an interview in January 1971, when asked whether the stories take place in a different era, he stated, "No ... at a different stage of imagination, yes."[7][1] However, he did nod to the stories' setting on Earth: "Oh yes, they're the same word. Most people have made this mistake of thinking Middle-earth is a particular kind of earth or is another planet of the science fiction sort but it's just an old fashioned word for this world we live in, as imagined surrounded by the Ocean." He continued to make references to its being "... a brief episode of History" of Earth as late as Autumn 1971.

Yes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_earth is based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midgard.


Wrong at every turn...

Actually Nirn is not really High fantasy or low fantasy. It's stuck somewhere in between. It's creation is high fantasy but it's setting and how things function in the world are low fantasy. And yes, it can be argued, especially since Todd also considers TES to be low fantasy setting.

However, Lord of the Rings is pretty high fantasy.



No it's not, it's a continent, not a planet. Originally it was thought up by Tolkien as a fictional period in Earth but it was made very clear over the years by Tolkien and his son after him that it is no longer that fictional period he first envisioned and is actually far more with the Silmarillion. Wiki's tend to be outdated or wrong...

No its not, again, have you ever played an ES game? Its proven high fantasy in every game including Arena.

Nope.


Derp x1000

No, that wiki was misrepresenting. Tolkien imagined the places he wrote as representations of real places. He wasn't saying they WERE the real places.

LOL, [censored] the Wiki, Ive read the books, but there's really no way to quote them. The letters and books say that its Earth, every diehard LOTR fan knows it so.

...I took a whole class on it. LOTR can in no way be considered 'Earth'. Heck, it even as a heaven ON the planet.

Apparantly you didnt, since it is Earth. According to Tolkien himself. Tolkien himself said it was Earth, end of discussion. But I didnt bring up LOTR, it has nothing to do with this discussion.

No it's not. High fantasy tends to be outrageous and over the top settings and actions. In all respects, TES is like mid fantasy.

As for the wiki. Like I said above, he originally envisioned Middle Earth as a proto earth then he and his son made it pretty clear that the vision had changed and the Silmarillion makes that pretty clear.

That's what Tolkein meant. A piece of earth. And I highly doubt you've read any of his books. *jots down 'liar' onto list*

no not :bolt: athletics/ acrobatics those two ruled

No, Tolkien never said it was Earth