No Acrobatics/Athletics? I am profoundly saddened : V - Skyrim

» Tue May 03, 2011 1:45 am

Where in the lore does it state this? all of it is on UESP, so it shouldn't be too hard to find if you know what you are looking for, and it sound like you do.

or you can just tell me the book or whatever it is that shows that moon-jumping and everyone running super fast (without magic) is part of the lore, and I'll look it up.

Its not for everybody, its for people that work at Acrobatics, athletics, speed etc. If people cant see that these are not humans, even the Nedic races, then there's nothing to say. You must be new to the series or something? Also, go to the Imperial library for your lore, not the UESP.

When it bolsters gameplay and doesn't affect skills, it's hardly "rediculous". You have to accept that that's your opinion and not everything you believe is true or even the general consensus for that matter. I want realism. Liu Bei wants realism. And Beth wants realism. Get used to it.

Its not my opinion, its ES reality.

» Tue May 03, 2011 2:38 am

Thanks. Certain people just don't understand that some lore is made simply to justify silly things in the game.

Yes, wherever it states these thing must just be a silly justification. I have yet to see it personally though.

» Tue May 03, 2011 9:44 am

The random Increases from Acrobatics and Athletics wasn't good. I'm thinking that perks will replace what these skills can do but the days of jumping 10+ feet in the air are probably over.

» Mon May 02, 2011 9:31 pm

Its not, its either part of the lingo or a smiley graphic. You circumvented an auto censored word.

Whoopty freakin' doo. If you're using the rules of the forum against me, flaming is also prohibited. Look back at your posts and tell me what you think.

Its cool though, just learn the ES better before you make fallacious statements.

There were no fallacious statements made. Quote me. I dare you.

Yes, wherever it states these thing must just be a silly justification. I have yet to see it personally though.

I honestly don't know what he's talking about. I've never seen it either...

Its not my opinion, its ES reality.

You tell that to the sprint button buddy.

» Mon May 02, 2011 10:49 pm

Its not for everybody, its for people that work at Acrobatics, athletics, speed etc. If people cant see that these are not humans, even the Nedic races, then there's nothing to say. You must be new to the series or something? Also, go to the Imperial library for your lore, not the UESP.

I still don't really understand how jumping super high, and running super fast is part of the lore. Any idea where i should start looking for this info in the imperial library? And no im not new i've played daggerfall/Morrowind (extensively)/and oblivion.

» Tue May 03, 2011 4:46 am

You tell that to the sprint button buddy.

What does a COD feature that they probably implemented for the likes of gamers like you have to do with overall speed?

I still don't really understand how jumping super high, and running super fast is part of the lore. Any idea where i should start looking for this info in the imperial library? And no im not new i've played daggerfall/Morrowind (extensively)/and oblivion.

For one, the games are canon, lore, secondly read about Khajiits, Bosmer, acrobatics etc. There's hundreds of books in TES, its not my fault you haven't read any.

you guys are basically saying "I know nothing about TES, explain it to me."....Go do some research.

» Mon May 02, 2011 10:12 pm

What does a COD feature that they probably implemented for the likes of gamers like you have to do with overall speed?

I wouldn't know. I don't play much CoD. Please, oh please enlighten me Xarnac. :blush:

you guys are basically saying "I know nothing about TES, explain it to me."....Go do some research.

You're just displaying your lack of evidence. I read a lot of TES books in game and have never seen anything close to saying it's ok for a certain race to jump 20ft in the air.

» Tue May 03, 2011 3:34 am

What does a COD feature that they probably implemented for the likes of gamers like you have to do with overall speed?

It shows that gameplay mechanics are not permanent. Thus the "lore" you are claiming to know so well is not permanent as well. If all TES games were consistent in their lore, than what happened to Argonian's legs in Oblivion? Why are the skills always different from game to game. Why did all the races jump and move the same in Oblivion? Lore is not permanent, and only Bethesda controls it. You have no idea what the lore of Skyrim is because it's not out yet and Bethesda is still creating it.

» Tue May 03, 2011 3:42 am

I wouldn't know. I don't play much CoD. Please, oh please enlighten me Xarnac. :blush:

Your new to the ES series, its cool.

» Tue May 03, 2011 6:24 am

It shows that gameplay mechanics are not permanent. Thus the "lore" you are claiming to know so well is not permanent as well. If all TES games were consistent in their lore, than what happened to Argonian's legs in Oblivion? Why are the skills always different from game to game. Why did all the races jump and move the same in Oblivion? Lore is not permanent, and only Bethesda controls it. You have no idea what the lore of Skyrim is because it's not out yet and Bethesda is still creating it.

This. Even if it did say for some odd reason that super jumping abilities are acceptable in a book, it has absolutely no control over what is in Skyrim. Lore from previous games have seldom affected what can and cannot be in a sequel. So there.

Your new to the ES series, its cool.

Your pathetic flaming is redundant. I suggest putting effort into making your arguement actually feasible instead.

» Tue May 03, 2011 11:09 am

Don't worry everybody. More than likely perks will allow us to move like Spider-Man if we'd like. I personally always thought it was a little silly practically gliding over the world in full heavy armor.

» Tue May 03, 2011 9:05 am

What does a COD feature that they probably implemented for the likes of gamers like you have to do with overall speed?

yeah, cause no games let you sprint before that...

For one, the games are canon, lore, secondly read about Khajiits, Bosmer, acrobatics etc. There's hundreds of books in TES, its not my fault you haven't read any.
you guys are basically saying "I know nothing about TES, explain it to me."....Go do some research.

I think that just because they are in the games they are not canon, or being able to climb up 90 degree walls (like daggerfall) would be an important part of the lore/canon...

and I'm not saying it's your "fault" for anything, I was just asking you to give me some info, you're just being defensive. I just don't want to read through the hundreds of books to find this bit of info that's so important to this conversation.

» Mon May 02, 2011 11:43 pm

I think that just because they are in the games a they are not canon,

Then you think wrong.

anybody who thinks that the ability to jump high or run fast shouldn't be in the game, never used it. its cool you didnt play ES to its full extent, but its no excuse against the people that did.

If you really cant see how a cat person could jump or run faster than an Earth human, then your in denial.

Not to mention If Todd said it was in tomorrow, all of you would be changing your tune real quick.

» Tue May 03, 2011 7:29 am

Then you think wrong.

See, here's the problem. Can we call it a day?

Not to mention If Todd said it was in tomorrow, all of you would be changing your tune real quick.

But he already said it's not and that's the entire point. I originally wanted to convey how content I was over this bit of information not start a flame war...

» Mon May 02, 2011 10:34 pm

Then you think wrong.

what about not being able to climb up walls a la daggerfall? are you devastated by this failure to adhere to Nirn's laws?

» Mon May 02, 2011 9:26 pm

Athletics and Acrobatics are gone, according to the recent RPS interview. Anyone else experience the deep joy associated with these skills?

I, for one, am quite sad, as Acrobatics was far and away my favorite skill. Anyone else train their Acrobatics so high that they could fly across the landscape like Neo? That was the best feeling in the world.

Any idea on how they are going to replace it? I hope it's not just "everyone moves the same speed". I want to climb those giant mountains like a mountain goat! I want to jump so high I can slash a dragon in the air!

With Athletics I would run across the gigantic landscape like The Flash. It was amazing.

If they don't include it I'm going to make a mod for it.

Sorry - I'm actually really glad if this is correct - I only used these skills for power leveling - i hated how just by running around i would get a skill boost and was always trying to find ways not to increase the skill except as mentioned for power leveling.

» Tue May 03, 2011 3:33 am

Your pathetic flaming is redundant. I suggest putting effort into making your arguement actually feasible instead.

Er, I already have, you apparantly dont understand it.

» Tue May 03, 2011 8:04 am

Then you think wrong.

anybody who thinks that the ability to jump high or run fast shouldn't be in the game, never used it. its cool you didnt play ES to its full extent, but its no excuse against the people that did.

If you really cant see how a cat person could jump or run faster than an Earth human, then your in denial.

Not to mention If Todd said it was in tomorrow, all of you would be changing your tune real quick.

Do you see yourself typing? Do I really need to repeat this? If all this stuff you are saying is really "lore", then WHY DID ALL THE RACES JUMP AND MOVE THE SAME IN OBLIVION!

You just really want the ability to jump high and run fast and you're hiding behind "lore" to make everyone else who disagrees look foolish. You need to grow up and learn how to accept other peoples opinions. All you have to say is that you want the ability to jump high and run fast. Hell, you don't even know if those abilities are not in Skyrim and you're already acting like they aren't. Stop using your flawed "lore" as an argument because it holds no merit for Skyrim.

» Tue May 03, 2011 10:29 am

anybody who thinks that the ability to jump high or run fast shouldn't be in the game, never used it. its cool you didnt play ES to its full extent, but its no excuse against the people that did.

So are you saying if i used it, i would enjoy it so much i would want to keep it? I don't understand cause I've had Acrobatics 100 on practically all of my characters...

If you really cant see how a cat person could jump or run faster than an Earth human, then your in denial.

I agree. Khajiits should have some auto-perk for increased speed.

Not to mention If Todd said it was in tomorrow, all of you would be changing your tune real quick.

I've been all for realistic jumping since Skyrim was first announced... There were a few old threads where i voiced my opinion on more realistic jumping.

» Tue May 03, 2011 1:55 am

Er, I already have, you apparantly dont understand it.

Oh, I do. I just don't think lore justifies anything you're saying. And I'll be the bigger man and admit that's my opinion.

Anything else you'd like to add to this tiresome discussion?

» Mon May 02, 2011 10:32 pm

I've been all for realistic jumping since Skyrim was first announced... There were a few old threads where i voiced my opinion on more realistic jumping.

:facepalm: It is not realistic for Nirn.

Any rebuke quote, please refer to this:

anybody who thinks that the ability to jump high or run fast shouldn't be in the game, never used it. its cool you didnt play ES to its full extent, but its no excuse against the people that did.

If you really cant see how a cat person could jump or run faster than an Earth human, then your in denial.

@ Sorrow...Because they didnt, their animations were the same, not their skill at speed, jumping etc.

Honestly all I hear is a bunch of whining about graphics and animations.

» Tue May 03, 2011 8:08 am

:facepalm: It is not realistic for Nirn.

Any rebuke quote, please refer to this:

anybody who thinks that the ability to jump high or run fast shouldn't be in the game, never used it. its cool you didnt play ES to its full extent, but its no excuse against the people that did.

If you really cant see how a cat person could jump or run faster than an Earth human, then your in denial.

:facepalm: yes it is... just like arrows "realistically" falling in oblivion was more realistic than Arrows going straight in morrowind/daggerfall.

and i already answered those questions.

» Mon May 02, 2011 8:52 pm

Sheesh this thread is feeling like the Arena

Jumping and climbing would be fine to have and I'd be all for the Khajiit getting a perk for it but I really wouldn't care if there was no skill increase for doing something that takes no skill to do

» Tue May 03, 2011 5:53 am

Any rebuke quote, please refer to this:

anybody who thinks that the ability to jump high or run fast shouldn't be in the game, never used it. its cool you didnt play ES to its full extent, but its no excuse against the people that did.

I currently have my Nord's Athletic and Acrobatic Skills at level 100. I can tell you right now, I don't like it so that pretty much disproves your theory if you even want to call it that. It's a complete matter of opinion. A word you do not seem to understand.

If you really cant see how a cat person could jump or run faster than an Earth human, then your in denial.

When did I even suggest they wouldn't? Do you put words into people's mouths often? I said:

I read a lot of TES books in game and have never seen anything close to saying it's ok for a certain race to jump 20ft in the air.

Not:

It's not ok for a cat person to jump higher or run faster than an Earth human!

Like I said, make your arguement feasible. This is a joke.

» Tue May 03, 2011 1:19 am

lol, this back and forth is quite humerus. Firstly, since games are canon then anything in a new game is canon too so it doesn't matter. Technically canon has to do with substance/story, not game mechanics, so the argument is moot anyhow. Secondly, Acrobatics and Athletics were generally not very interesting in past games: it took dozens upon dozens of levels in them to create any real difference, they broke the leveling system, and they were (extraordinarily) awful to grind. Thirdly, if Todd came out and said "psych" it doesn't really change the arguments. They're merely reasons why it's acceptable to take them out, not why the necessarily need to be removed.