Adams Air Force Base : Fallout Series Discussion

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:17 pm

So I've been wondering, why did the developers not just include the actual Andrews AFB? (Its not as though its copyright content).

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:09 am

So I've been wondering, why did the developers not just include the actual Andrews AFB? (Its not as though its copyright content).

Good question, seeing as it has been revealed that Adams was originally supposed to be Andrews. Wonder if they were afraid of stepping on someone's toes somehow? Another Fallout mystery..

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:50 pm

I would assume for fear of upsetting patriotic blockheads who would say "That's dat dar terr-ism!" or something equally braindead.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:43 pm

They might have renamed the base at some point after the timeline split off from ours, after a particularly heroic soldier or brilliant president, or a plethora of other reasons.

Of course, depending on when Andrews AFB was built in OTL, it might not have been completed before the divergence, and thus was never named Andrews AFB in the first place.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:51 pm

I would assume for fear of upsetting patriotic blockheads who would say "That's dat dar terr-ism!" or something equally braindead.

So, by that logic, it makes sense to have the entire DC area destroyed, including the entire White House?

I think your theory is flawed.

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:02 pm

They might have renamed the base at some point after the timeline split off from ours, after a particularly heroic soldier or brilliant president, or a plethora of other reasons.

Of course, depending on when Andrews AFB was built in OTL, it might not have been completed before the divergence, and thus was never named Andrews AFB in the first place.

Yup, there is a lot fo ways to explain it for lore purposes.

The actual reason might be as simple as the government requesting they name it something else... Bethesda might have called to give them a heads up and they requested the change.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:40 pm

Yup, there is a lot fo ways to explain it for lore purposes.

The actual reason might be as simple as the government requesting they name it something else... Bethesda might have called to give them a heads up and they requested the change.

Normally the United States Government is very supportive of using its institutions in public content(so long as the United States Military is portrayed in a favorable manner). Also, fictional bases, generally exist more in film only because of the constraints of filming on an actual DOD facility(ie: 1982 Film: "An Officer and a Gentleman".)

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:42 pm

Normally the United States Government is very supportive of using its institutions in public content(so long as the United States Military is portrayed in a favorable manner). Also, fictional bases, generally exist more in film only because of the constraints of filming on an actual DOD facility(ie: 1982 Film: "An Officer and a Gentleman".)

Well, the US government is hardly portrayed in a favorable light in Fallout, so that could have something to do with it..

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:49 pm

So, by that logic, it makes sense to have the entire DC area destroyed, including the entire White House?

I think your theory is flawed.

It's different when you're using a current military base, not an entire city and governmental institutions.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:40 pm

It's different when you're using a current military base, not an entire city and governmental institutions.

Normally base name changes occur when it comes to film, as its not always possible to film on the actual site. As per whether its offensive to use Andrews AFB, I wouldn't think so....as it's being purely used as a plot device(I don't see any implied malicious content, and to be honest, if anyone thinks that the "Enclave" is a representation of the real world US Gov. than they probably are not in touch with reality).

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:05 pm

So, by that logic, it makes sense to have the entire DC area destroyed, including the entire White House?

I think your theory is flawed.

WE didn't get to bomb DC.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:29 pm

Gah, and I thought they would've named something after me in a videogame,

at least I got the real life thing! It would be so ironic if I became a pilot and ended up in Andrews...

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:27 am

I would bet becasue many areas of the base are off-limits to Civilians. It easy to include ficitonal areas based of real ones or ones that aren't similar (like Area 51) but I think the U.S. Government would have felt it is a National Security Issue. Do you really think the Capitol Building is like that in fallout 3...Or the White house wasn't included becasue they couldn't include areas restricted from the general populance. Its like Wheaton Armory, Fort Constantine, and so on...its for National Security.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:44 pm

There are many, many other real placenames in the game. I don't see why they couldn't use Andrews Air Force Base.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:50 am

Concidering that the base opened in '43 and was renamed Andrews in '45, its not hard to believe that between 1950 when the histories of our world and the fictional Fallout world seperated, to 2077 that the base was renamed.

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:54 pm

I would bet becasue many areas of the base are off-limits to Civilians. It easy to include ficitonal areas based of real ones or ones that aren't similar (like Area 51) but I think the U.S. Government would have felt it is a National Security Issue. Do you really think the Capitol Building is like that in fallout 3...Or the White house wasn't included becasue they couldn't include areas restricted from the general populance. Its like Wheaton Armory, Fort Constantine, and so on...its for National Security.

Using the names of actual US Military Posts is not a violation of national security, after all there is more than enough media released by the DOD to recreate a fair representation of Andrews AFB(or for that matter any US Military installation).

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:41 pm

Using the names of actual US Military Posts is not a violation of national security, after all there is more than enough media released by the DOD to recreate a fair representation of Andrews AFB(or for that matter any US Military installation).

Or by Google Earth : http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/613/andrews1.jpg :tops:

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:54 am

Using the names of actual US Military Posts is not a violation of national security, after all there is more than enough media released by the DOD to recreate a fair representation of Andrews AFB(or for that matter any US Military installation).

Maybe the didn't wish to associtate an U.S. Military Asset with an Terroristic, totalitarian faction. Maybe they didn't want to call it Andrews?

---Not all pain is gain---

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:42 am

Maybe the didn't wish to associtate an U.S. Military Asset with an Terroristic, totalitarian faction. Maybe they didn't want to call it Andrews?

---Not all pain is gain---

Though the Enclave might not be entirely democratic, I wouldn't see it as a terrorist faction, or even a totalitarian regime.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:30 am

Though the Enclave might not be entirely democratic, I wouldn't see it as a terrorist faction, or even a totalitarian regime.

They seem pretty dictatorial.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:07 pm

in real life it WAS going to be called adams air base but they CHANGED it to andrews before it was finished

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» Fri May 27, 2011 1:13 pm

in real life it WAS going to be called adams air base but they CHANGED it to andrews before it was finished

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The original name of the field was Camp Springs Army Air Base, then it was called Andrews Field(7 February 1945 in honor of Lt. General Frank Maxwell Andrews).

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:27 am

I dont know if it was mentioned already but they also changed Elmendorf Airforce Base to Elemendorf Airforce Base or something in the computer logs you cant find in Operation Anchorge.

First i thought it was just a typo but then if found another log on a different computer once again speaking of Elemendorf AFB instead of the correct name Elmendorf AFB.

I believe it was inside that Anchorage artillery gun complex with all the ammunition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmendorf_AFB