The idea of addons is to not give an advantage. Knowing that your target is out of stamina to block, interrupt or dodge can be absolutely fight winning. It's not about bads still being bad, or skilled still being skilled. It's about the addons giving an advantage when they are not supposed to be giving one.

yes. add-ons can help people enjoy games. this thread is not about add-ons or no add-ons. I'm all for ad-ons. the add-on in that video is not changing the skin of the ui. it is displaying information not available to people who do not use it. add-ons should not provide more information than what someone without it has available via the vanilla ui.

Yea who cares about them... However what matters is the competition among the top players for emperor. Should it be that using mod X gives you an advantage to grab that tittle? I really don't think so. And nether should mod X give you an advantage to be able to be server first killing NPC A either.

Actually no, it can keeps track of everybody within the vicinity. I'm not sure how powerful is the LUA. But the buff debuff timer seems to be a record tracking instead of read directly from the API (since some of the duration are way off in some video). So my assumption is they keep track of the debuff and buff timer by skill cast and combat log. The same mechanics could then also be used to keep a record of all the people within the vicinity of their skillbar to the point that you would know everybody skillbar.

This however, is just an assumption base on the video.

Well that's because if they went full info ui as default a lot would complain it's not an elder scrolls game.

Zen have quite sensibly understood that if they want to recoup the huge investment and then go on to make a ton of money they must attract players from other games to pay a monthly fee. Therefore they must offer at least what they offer. Nowadays this means add ons. Use or don't use but there is no point spitting into the wind about it. This is the real world, the world where they spent 200 mill developing this game, not the world where the people whose money that was gives a damn about some largely imagined 'unfair' advantage some people upset themselves over.

I will be using any add ons that improve my enjoyment. If other people choose not too then that's their business.

Well if you weren't meant to use addons, ZOS would not have made them possible. Since they encourage the modding community to create addons for the game, I'd say your argument doesn't hold water.

True it's not cheating as its allowed. But it's game braking to those who wants to be competitive because every one needs to have an even playing field for it to be competitive.

Either way it helps us greatly especially to those who want to play competitively, the guys that don't then more power to them i say good on ya. But this non stop complaining this is the 7th thread now i have seen on this because people imagine its game breaking. In no way does this give anybody a big advantage People have had access to this kind of information in other mmos and still svcked the big one.

OP, if you wanted us to take your thread seriously, you shouldn't have mentioned that you use ie7....

Unless it breaks the game ie exploits, and I'm sure zenimax will keep an eye on the addons and remove things they see as exploiting.

A lot of user do use add-on, me included. But sometimes, an addon could do something the developer not intended to. Just look at the add on used to be in WoW. Developers do slipped up and they need to know that some addon might be giving too much information or that they could do something they did not foresee.

What does that suppose to mean? That ZOE can't do something bad? Blizzard have already demonstrated how *peep* bad it is to have mods in a MMORPG.

But it isn't game breaking you telling me you can't beat someone 1 v 1 just because they could be using a mod? Then your terrible because i took some down and i had friends beaten in 1 v 1 and they were using the mod. I haven't even used it yet but it was a few of the things i put into my feedback for the game. Tbh i would rather zenimax just gives us this instead of mods. but i will make do with a mod instead come game release.

healbot?

I never used healbot and its used to be worse then me deciding what heal to use on who in raid. However, it is a bad addon that Blizzard need to change their api to stopped it or so i heard.

What? What draws people in and what keeps people is content and gameplay. WoW id the only massive game that allows such a wide variety of Addons. The next largest don't allow any or allow very limited addons.

Did I say that? Don't try to put words in my mouth. Of course you can beat some one 1 vs 1. However mods can make it easier to climb the score board to gain that emperor tittle with is even worse then any balance it may cause between 1 vs 1 combat.

PS: Don't get me wrong I will use every mod I can get to enhance my game play. However I still think it's exceptional bad game designing to allow mods to start with.

UI customizing mods = okay
Mods that reveal to much info about enemy character is just....just...so....so...violating *covers my special area*

Alot of the other games as you so put it have these basic ui features built in

I never understood why some people have such a hate for mods in MMOs. I played WoW and was in a competitive raiding guild and participated in semi-serious PvP, and I always loved how different mods could help me out. Why don't people like them? Do they think it's difficult to install? If a guild tells gives you a list of mods you must have in order to roll with them, its usually for a good reason. But if you don't like their mods, you don't have to be in their guild.

Mods aren't required to be competitive. You can do everything a mod helps people do on your own. Mods just lower the skill or attention required to do things.

Exactly, so something like showing stamina and magicka isn't an advantage there. Here it is because such is not available to the base UI.

Some lead armor sir?

But it won't help in that regard whatsoever. Thats a facile conclusion. The one mod EVERYONE is complaining about would not help that at all it would help within combat and even then it depends on the player. So again this all comes down to the player, If you stick a useless zerger and give him this mod it won't help him because he is useless either way.

It's not a hatred for mods or addons. I use them and will use them. It's hatred for addons that give info not available to the base ui (addon user gets an advantage), makes things that you would normally have to make an effort to notice much much easier to notice (this has made abilities useless in other games), or addons that simply make hard content easier.