A mod is too powerful when dev HAS to develop the game around it and which, forces everybody to have it. The guild wants you to have the mod install because they want to have easier time to fight a boss. Usually the same group of people who said games are too easy when the job is done for them by the mods.

And bad guild is the norm.

Honestly this isn't going to go away until Zen addresses it. Either way they are going to piss off a large number of players.

I'm in the crowd that addons SHOULD NOT be providing excessive amounts of extra information. I should not be able to see the targets magika or stamina.

Visual modding such as UI and asethics of the character (As long as it doesn't improve the character from a stat point) is ok. When it starts getting involved in stats, such as modding equipment to do more damage or have higher stats that's where I draw the line. If this was just PVE with no multiplayer, it's fine to have those stat increases with mods but this is an MMO with PVP, meaning it not acceptable to have that type of modding available because it breaks the competitive balance of PVP.

I have no problems with addons so long as they don't put me at a disadvantage if I opt out of using them.

At this point I'm cool with any mod you want.

I'm sure you won't have a problem with my mod that makes my api info private right?

Honestly, in the current addon set all they would need to do is remove the ability to make casts and spells so obvious and remove the ability to show target stamina and magicka. There most the mod is still there, addon users still get their numbers, they just don't get info that is not obtained by the base ui or is harder to notice in the base ui.

Mods do not add equipment or modify any equipment. The mod in WoW and ESO consist of UI mod only, which could display too much information.

Because that extra information is an advantage. Knowing your enemy is out of stamina and/or magicka can win a fight. Addons should not give an advantage.

Because the stock UI does not offer this. People should NEVER be forced to download and maintain of library of addons to be on a level playing field. WOW has literally ruined a generation of gamers. They now feel all this garbage is required. Ultimately what they need to do is let go of the crutch.

exactly. yes. add-ons that provide info that is not available via the vanilla ui should not be allowed.

Thats like saying giving steroids to a slacker would not make him run any faster so we should allow the use of that in every sport.

Yes it would not help the crappy players that mush if anything at all. However it will make a good player better. And that is where the competition is among the top 1% of the world best players. And that is what counts.

This would be the only addon I would use.

I'm surprised they have let this become as toxic as it is. It is only turning away potential customers with no clear response from ZOS.

That is irrelevent at this stage. The fact is such information is an advantage. That is the issue now.

If you get them to ban the mods they will only end up putting it in the ui here to is that what you minimalists want??. Zeni wanted to give the guys who like a simpler interface what they wanted while also letting the guys who don't want that a chance to use mods. I will say this if it comes to choosing one or the other the only side zeni will land on is the guys who want these mod's side because its quite simple they will be the majority. It is already well known that a lot of feedback was begging for this. Be careful what you wish for.

lol make a good player better? no he is good simply because he is good. I'd laugh if zenimax went and put the interface on permanently see you guys go on then.

Yes, thus the advantage is gone from Vanilla UI and Addon UI. Making so fellow players are not Forced to download addons to be on par with addon users.

UI addons should only change the look of the players UI, not adding information that a Vanilla UI does not have.

no. because that add on is ugly and takes up the whole screen. but if there were options we could toggle and see the information that that add on provides this would be a non issue. it's not about the add on. its about the addon giving an advantage by providing info that the vanilla ui does not provide.

Yes that would be fine. As the advantage is no longer there.

Nothing says they would put that info on the base UI.

I think it's bad - not because its (and I'm speaking in the strict, semantic sense) NECESSARILY game-breaking - but because it kind-of is forced, AND because it would have been way better to have a PvP where you DON'T know everything about your enemy (ya know...kinda like IRL)

It's not neccessarily game-breaking because sure, anyone can download these addons and be on equal footing in that regard.
But it really does, in a sense, 'force' everyone to get it (if you want to be competitive and win)

If I am in a 1 on 1 battle with an enemy, and he has the addons but I do not - he can see what skills I'm casting, as I'm casting them, he can see how much magicka/stamina I have left (and indeed, can infer whether or not I can cast or dodge again)
He can see what buffs I have on, and change his style accordingly (if I have a mundus stone that gives more armor, he will focus more on dealing magic damage rather than physical, for instance)

And I will not see ANY of this

If you cannot see how that is a HUGE advantage, then...well I dunno what else one can say other than "wtf?"

And simply BECAUSE it's a HUGE advantage, if I want to stay competitive, 2 things could happen (and they are mutually exclusive)

1) I will NEED to use these same addons, and thus EVERYONE will
2) Addons are disabled in PvP (save for some 'official' ones that don't give such advantages, such as player-side buffs for example)

Now yes, you can argue (like some of you seem to) that "well if you're a bad pvp player you're still going to be bad!"
Yeah sure, but if two people are equally matched in skill and level and ALL other counts, and the only thing that differentiates the two are addons that tell you everything under the sun about your enemy vs no addons, then take a guess who's MORE LIKELY to come out on top

It's like having a fist-fight with someone random and being able to somehow know "this guy is going to throw a wild-haymaker right after he does this left-jab, and after that he wont have the energy to block my next attack"
That's a super unfair advantage IF the other guy doesn't have the same, psychic powers