addition of Aurora Borealis?

Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:35 am

If it was I'd have expected the weather of southern Cyrodiil to be pretty cold to reflect this.



That and it would mean the southern lights probably would have been over Leyawiin.

Besides, the existence of Pyandonea "Far to the south of the Summerset Isles" would suggest Tamriel isn't very far south.
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:27 pm

Hate to bring logic into this, but it depends on where Skyrim is in relation to the poles of Nirn. Aurora's only occur at the ring of the magnetic filed as it intersects a planet, which is very north. And seeing as though Atmora, the Nord's ancestral home, was north of Tamriel, i dare say it wouldnt make snese, but who knows, maybe nirn is a super earth and has a huge area for lands to see aurroras

Who cares if its not far north, its a game its not about physics, geography or any type of science, its about implementing something that looks cool. To apply logical argument to a game of fantasy based on a fantasy world while trying to apply the sciences of our universe to the game universe is illogical. If it were in the very middle of the map it wouldn't make much sense but anywhere north enough to have snow seems perfectly reasonable so who cares. at the end of the day its a game and we want games to look cool, so PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop trying to use the science of our universe and also "TES Lore" to explain why it can't happen because its a world of magic, it would be perfectly "Logical" for the devs to put in fire breathing pink bunnies that change in size every 5 seconds on the last day of every other month only when the moon shines if they chose to because its a game and they can do that in games.
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:35 am

If it was I'd have expected the weather of southern Cyrodiil to be pretty cold to reflect this.

Guess you didn't read my previous post...

I don't see the point in trying to rationalize it scientifically. I mean, how do you explain how vastly different enviroments are so close to eachother on one continent? Nirn is part of Mundus and Mundus is just a Daedric realm full of magic things that don't make much sense in general.

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That and it would mean the southern lights probably would have been over Leyawiin.

I don't see how that makes sense. The North Pole and the South Pole are in the arctic and antarctic areas of the world, respectively. Each are very cold enviroments with ice shelves and glaciers. Are you saying that the South Pole should be located in Leyawin just because it's one of the southern most parts of Tamriel? That has no bearing on the continent's location on Nirn. The northern most part could be located at the South Pole.

Besides, the existence of Pyandonea "Far to the south of the Summerset Isles" would suggest Tamriel isn't very far south.

Good point... :shrug:
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:27 am

Guess you didn't read my previous post...
I did, but it's irrelevant to the point I was making.


The northern most part could be located at the South Pole.
By definition, no it couldn't.
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:32 am

I did, but it's irrelevant to the point I was making.

It obviously didn't sink in. I'll simplify it for you. Mundus doesn't have to make sense.

By definition, no it couldn't.

What are you talking about? Of course it could. Is the South Pole at the very southern most part of http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Pole-south.gif? No.
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:59 pm

well as for the misinterpretations of what a myth actually is, posted after I posted the exact definition, well.
Lets say no more about that.

No one here seems to adress the prevalent truth.
Its real beacuse it is beautiful.
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:16 pm

It obviously didn't sink in. I'll simplify it for you. Mundus doesn't have to make sense.


What are you talking about? Of course it could. Is the South Pole at the very southern most part of http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Pole-south.gif? No.
Except they seem to be going for the whole going north gets colder. Which makes sense. You're getting angry because your fighting a losing battle, you shouldn't though.

You didn't say southernmost, you said northernmost(Go back and read your own post). And the northernmost part of Antarctica isn't at the south pole. The northernmost point of Antarctica is well in excess of a thousand miles north of the south pole. You need a refresher on geography.

Getting snarky when you throw out such nonsensical points is kinda ridiculous.
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:13 pm

Except they seem to be going for the whole going north gets colder. Which makes sense. You're getting angry because your fighting a losing battle, you shouldn't though.

You didn't say southernmost, you said northernmost(Go back and read your own post). And the northernmost part of Antarctica isn't at the south pole. The northernmost point of Antarctica is well in excess of a thousand miles north of the south pole. You need a refresher on geography.

Getting snarky when you throw out such nonsensical points is kinda ridiculous.


Its not a losing battle.
What battle?
Its real because it is beautiful.

A small edit:
Beauty isnt truth in a story?
Tell Marlowe that.
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:37 am

Why are both of the choices for the poll questions? That's as biased as you can get, no matter what you choose it's like saying "Maybe, maybe not." :P

That being said, there is no actual reasoning that I have seen for there to be one, just because there is grass and rocks and birds and deer does not mean there would be an Aurora Borealis. This is not earth. So if we only go by that I voted no. But if we go by "It looks cool." I say yes.
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:59 am

Its not a losing battle.
What battle?
Its real because it is beautiful.
Umm... excuse me?
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:06 am

Except they seem to be going for the whole going north gets colder. Which makes sense. You're getting angry because your fighting a losing battle, you shouldn't though.

You didn't say southernmost, you said northernmost(Go back and read your own post). And the northernmost part of Antarctica isn't at the south pole. The northernmost point of Antarctica is well in excess of a thousand miles north of the south pole. You need a refresher on geography.

Getting snarky when you throw out such nonsensical points is kinda ridiculous.

Getting angry? Don't flatter yourself. I'm discussing the possibility of Nirn having aurora borealis if it followed the same geographic rules that our planet does. I know what I said. Don't blame me because you can't comprehend simple logic. Land formations do not affect the two points where the Earth's axis of rotation intersects its surface. I'll ignore those last two comments. Not even going to dignify that with a response.
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:48 am


What are you talking about? Of course it could. Is the South Pole at the very southern most part of http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Pole-south.gif? No.


Umm, what?

The southernmost point of the world and the southernmost point on land is the geographic South Pole, which is on the continent of Antarctica.


The northernmost point of Earth is the geographic North Pole, in the Arctic Ocean.

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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:32 pm

Alright lets just get one thing clear, its a video game. Good now that that is out of the way we can move on. Second video game worlds are made with graphics not physics (i know it can be confusing to some people) Third, whats farther north than north? South, what is farther south than south? oh thats a toughy lets see..... ummm? north? BINGO so who's to say that the pole doesnt reside over skyrim? has anyone seen a spherical globe of Nirn showing all the continents? I didn't think so ( but please correct me if im wrong). Fourth "Lore blah blah lore blah anger lore blaa blah blah blablah blah blah" who cares? does everything need an explanation? If so i think that animals, people, trees, metal and rocks should all be explained in the lore oh and oxygen too, and color and grass and fruit and food in general its not like its a VIDEO GAME or anything, but nah lets not be ridiculous lets explain all of it no matter how obvious it is.
People its a magical fantasy world who cares where anything is, Auroras look cool end of story. No one cares about the "yes well because of the Casimir Effect it would be impossible for particles that small to move that far away from each other without a greater force pulling on them however since the sun is a giant hole it could be responsible yet do to the gravity of Nirn which happens to be 9.80665 m/s2 it only makes sense that the particles are moving towards it causing this phenomena. However the science is not exact as the poles might not be in the right spot for this to happen meaning it couldnt be due to a magnetosphere unlesss blah blah blah blah blah blah BLAH" point is NO ONE CARES its a game and lets all face it no matter how much lore you have read you still no nothing about Nirn because its a game and Bethesda can do whatever they please, and because its fantasy the lore and physical properties can change at any second.
Back to my earlier point about a globe how do you know that Nirn is a sphere at all? the maps that we see are all rectangular so don't even pretend to know what can and can't happen because real world physics can not and will not and should never ever EVER be applied to a game because it ruins it (aside from like gravity and stuff but thats kinda normal), it makes it boring. heres the arguments I see "Um uhh... yeah lets not have auroras cause uh they don't exist in the lore and they can't be on nirn and uh theres no explanation and Skyrim isnt in the right place and uh some other stuff that no one cares about" so what you're saying is the game should be made worse because you can't or don't want to tell the difference between a game and the real world? Either way its pathetic. Think about it
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:29 am

Why are both of the choices for the poll questions? That's as biased as you can get, no matter what you choose it's like saying "Maybe, maybe not." :P

That being said, there is no actual reasoning that I have seen for there to be one, just because there is grass and rocks and birds and deer does not mean there would be an Aurora Borealis. This is not earth. So if we only go by that I voted no. But if we go by "It looks cool." I say yes.
Right, since they don't actually have a star emitting radiation to react with the magnetosphere (which we have to assume exists because of the compass) there's no reason to assume that there would be an Aurora Borealis effect.
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:45 pm

Umm... excuse me?


The whole science argument is moot.
There is no battle.
It should be in because it is beautiful, because a Skyrim without would be less beautiful.
Marlowes laws.
Stage prevails over realism.
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:51 am

I'll ignore those last two comments. Not even going to dignify that with a response.
I wouldn't either if I said the northernmost part of anything of any significant size could be located at the south pole.
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:35 am

The whole science argument is moot.
There is no battle.
It should be in because it is beautiful, because a Skyrim without would be less beautiful.
Marlowes laws.
Stage prevails over realism.
The battle was over his lack of understanding of basic geography.
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:26 am

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I agree with you for the most part, but imo all of Earth's physics should be applied, unless specifically stated otherwise. For instance, if the "lore" said that the cause of the Auroras in Skyrim were "a mystery to this day", then you would have to assume that it is because of particles bouncing off of the magnetosphere (or whatever, I don't feel like going to Wikipedia right now), but if the lore said that it was due to magicka bouncing off of Aetherius or whatever, then obviously you would accept that as the reason why it is there. This is why they don't have to explain every single thing in lore, like gravity, oxygen, water, etc.
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:32 am

Why are both of the choices for the poll questions? That's as biased as you can get, no matter what you choose it's like saying "Maybe, maybe not." :P

That being said, there is no actual reasoning that I have seen for there to be one, just because there is grass and rocks and birds and deer does not mean there would be an Aurora Borealis. This is not earth. So if we only go by that I voted no. But if we go by "It looks cool." I say yes.

How is a yes or no bias? its not like im asking yes or yes. its simple yes you like the idea or no you don't? what else do I need to add? a disclaimer that says "before answering I want you to know that both yes and no options have nothing to do with race or religion please vote however make sure to vote in the most un-sixist way possible, thank you have a nice day"?
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:03 pm

The battle was over his lack of understanding of basic geography.


Its not my fault people do not read my previous posts :)
I shall reiterate.
Daggerfall was twice the size of britain.
World size in game is moot compared to size in lore. Tamriel is a continent.

Regardless.
The Azura Borealis is beautiful and therefore cannot be wrong.
It so surprises me one goes on and on about the physical mathematical implications without regarding the story implications at all.
What is more important here? Story or physics?
It is right because it is beautiful.
Honestly... sigh
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:28 pm

The battle was over his lack of understanding of basic geography.

You really haven't a clue of what I am talking about.

I don't see how that makes sense. The North Pole and the South Pole are in the arctic and antarctic areas of the world, respectively. Each are very cold enviroments with ice shelves and glaciers. Are you saying that the South Pole should be located in Leyawin just because it's one of the southern most parts of Tamriel? That has no bearing on the continent's location on Nirn. The northern most part could be located at the South Pole.

Northern Most/Southern Most as in Up/Down on maps. Not literally North and South. Was it really that hard to get through your thick skull? Are you an infant? Why do I need to explain simple things like that to anyone... maybe if you didn't have your head stuck up your ass to begin with, you could have understood what I mean't instead of jumping on me with a 'correction'. You're not nearly as smart as you think you are.

Umm, what?

Up/Down not North/South for the simple folk. :rolleyes:
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:34 pm

You really haven't a clue of what I am talking about.


Northern Most/Southern Most as in Up/Down on world maps. Not literally North and South. Was it really that hard to get through your thick skull? Are you an infant? Why do I need to explain simple things like that to anyone...
Lol, I'm an infant because you don't understand the terminology you're using?
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:10 pm

You really haven't a clue of what I am talking about.


Northern Most/Southern Most as in Up/Down on maps. Not literally North and South. Was it really that hard to get through your thick skull? Are you an infant? Why do I need to explain simple things like that to anyone...



Really.
Just read my posts cause right at this minute I am the one thinking things about the thickness of your skull..
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:06 am

I agree with you for the most part, but imo all of Earth's physics should be applied, unless specifically stated otherwise. For instance, if the "lore" said that the cause of the Auroras in Skyrim were "a mystery to this day", then you would have to assume that it is because of particles bouncing off of the magnetosphere (or whatever, I don't feel like going to Wikipedia right now), but if the lore said that it was due to magicka bouncing off of Aetherius or whatever, then obviously you would accept that as the reason why it is there. This is why they don't have to explain every single thing in lore, like gravity, oxygen, water, etc.

But why bother explaining the aurora any way? Not everything needs to be in lore the lore is only there so that Bethesda can keep people interested while they wait for the next game to come out, lets be honest its a marketing tool, it offers some explanation to keep you interested and the rest is up to interpretation. Lore can change so why bother explaining Aurora? it looks cool and adds to the game
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Post » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:29 am

*waves a flag*

I find it honestly astonishing that you two can rant on here totally blind to what other people, me, have to say.
Is this your own private little rant factory?

Please read a few comments up to actually see ways of resolvement.
Sheesh.
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