The god of time is possibly coming to eat us all. Strange colors in the sky due to that wouldn't be to much of a stretch.

It'd be cool if they could fit it in this universe.

I'm not sure you understood what I meant by in-game myth. What I meant was that in the reality of the game, it's a myth (as in NOT TRUE), even in the game's reality. Because of course it's a myth to us in the real world. The other myths that occur in the game are obviously NOT myths (according to game cannon) if they are true in the game.

Both. Most every religion is the same on the bare basic points. Lorkhan/Shor/Shezzar created Mundus, the Aedra are "trapped" (whether willingly or not) in Mundus, Lorkhan/Shor/Shezzar is cut off from Mundus. The specifics vary and the moral character of the gods are brought into question, but it's basically the same thing. Some view Lorkhan as benevolent for his gift of life, others view him as sinister for taking away their godhood. It just becomes perspective at that point, but the gods themselves are definitely realities, as much as anything else could be called reality.


No, I understood, and that's what I meant too. At least, it's a myth that creates reality. Doesn't mean it isn't true.

Not really. Lore in TES is pretty weak. It didn't exists beyond a few tiny pages of print until morrowind, and that was when it actually started getting created. Even so, the books were still short and the lore is still weak right now comprable to pretty much any other made up universe, fantasy or otherwise.

And if the stars on nirn are the holes punched by Aedra leaving the building, what exactly is the shivering islands sky? It has many times more stars than Nirn, and gas clouds and visibly 3-dimensional hubble galaxies. That doesn't make sense given the official story of stars. The lore in TES is weak and contradictory... I've read the books, browsed the wiki, and been on imperial library before. The games are good, but believing the lore to be so also is just fanboyism. It can't compare to most anything.

Yes to Aurora.

Ok, I'm confused. Are you saying it's like the Never Ending Story or something? In other words, when these myths were created, they became true, and thus ceased to be myths? Because that's what a myth is, something that isn't true. If it is true or became true, than it's not a myth, thus my confusion here.

I agree with what you are putting out, minus the lore being totally weak. I actually think the lore is pretty damn fantastic, but thats just my opinion. I see exactly what you are saying though, that there are things that dont quite add up or seem a little too convenient, as if they were made up just to serve a specific purpose, then forgotten.

But overall like you are saying, lore is forever changing. Everytime a game comes out it re-writes existing lore and/or adds to it. The lore is whatever Bethesda says it is, and I say we keep it that way.

I've had this conversation with you before and it was just mind-numbing. I'm not going to indulge you here.


It's something like that, yes. It starts as a myth and it becomes reality. Not to the point that one person alone could change reality though. It's power-through-belief. Not to use "myth" in the sense of "purely false" but more like "legendary story." I'm sure there's someone who could explain it better than I.

Ok, I think I get it. you are not using the term "myth" in the strict definition of the word, but as a more loose definition.

EDIT: Wish I could make something true just by believing it. :foodndrink:

Aurora Borealis is one of the most amazing phenomena that exists, and the ones that are seen in the more northern parts of the world, from what I have heard, are spectacular. Because Skyrim is meant to very much resemble Scandinavia, there should definitely be aurora borealis, at least sometimes. And it should vary from time to time, like it does in RL. I am already amazed with the worlds Bethesda has created for TES--if they add this to Skyrim, I will be even more amazed, and I think I will nearly die of happiness!

It's the same sky whether you're looking at it from within Oblivion or from Nirn - and the basic appearance of it doesn't matter much at all to the reality that there are no stars as we understand them in the TES universe. The fact that you can see different details from the Isles than you can from the Imperial City can be explained rather easily - not only are you looking at the sky from a fundamentally different location, but there's significantly less infinity between you and the barrier to the Aetherius from the Isles (within Oblivion) than there is from Nirn.

The fact that those tears in the fabric happen to appear similar to an actual sky from the real world isn't really that relevant - the moon Masser, I believe, orbiting Nirn is a clearly-color-shifted Mars. Does that mean Masser is not a moon but a close-orbiting planet?

Bah! But new advances in technology have discovered that the sun is actually a big ball of gas up there in the sky (the Pumba Theory)

Or the Dev's just need to rework the Lore to make it so

I don't think it would require much of a different explanation than that of Earth, because like the sun, a hole in the universe would likely discharge large amounts of radiation (and hopefully it has mass). The charged particles from the hole's discharge (that sounds very wrong huh?...) would likely interact with the ionosphere on Nirn just as the sun does with Earth.

In any case, I don't think they even need to acknowledge it in lore or describe it's physical properties in any way... and I'd love to see it.

Its obvious the laws of physics that apply to mankind aka the real world are completely different than the laws of physics that apply in The Elder Scrolls. Who'dve guessed?

It has been explained that the sun for Nirn is nothing like our sun for Earth. Yet plant life and life in general seems to flourish....? Try taking away the sun in our galaxy and replace it with a 'hole punched through space' and something tells me the Earth wouldnt fair so well. But this is besides the point.

We all know that TES and Real Life are different things....right? Ok, now that we got that out of the way we can stop debating then....right? (doubt it)

Regardless of whether Earth and Nirn are one in the same, or completely different. The OP asked if you would like to see an Aurora in Skyrim. It doesnt take a astrophysicist and a great understanding of the universe and Earth's physical properties to answer a question as simple as this.

When he says the lore is weak he doesn't mean it's bad. What he is saying is it is lacking definitive explanation and elaborate detail. It is weak in the respect that it can be undermined easily because it lacks a strong foundation. However I believe this is intentional on Bethesda's part because it allows them to undermine it whenever necessary.

Precisely.

Like when they need to add auroras to the game.

1.) It's not Earth.
2.) I don't think it's far enough North anyway. There's an entire contintent to the North of Skyrim. Skyrim has many cold areas due to mountains and not specifically because of how far North it is. It's not nearly as far North as many seem to think, I suspect.

1) Doesn't matter, IRL auroras can occur on any planet.

2) Auroras don't necessarily have to occur at the poles, it is just far more likely because of the magnetic field and the long nights. Plus, we don't know how big Nirn is, or whether it is even round. I don't know about anyone else, but I am not asking for the collision of charged particles directed by a planet's magnetic field (Thank you, Wikipedia), but I am asking for some effect, magical or mundane, that looks just like it. 'Cause it looks purdy.

What's with all the contempt for real world physics? :intergalactic: I think it's a cool topic that we got to crudely work into conversation about Skyrim (depending on your perspective). :bolt:

1) Doesn't matter
2) It's not Earth, so it doesn't matter

Aurora's in Skyrim would be to do with the aetherius and magic, just like the sun and stars in Skyrim.

I suppose you're right that it doesn't really matter about any real explanation. The dork in me just wants something in game to explain it if it appears.

I didn't know you could see it from space either, which I learned by looking it up due to this thread.

Why is seeing the Aurora Australis a bad thing? That's to be expected when you are under a weaker section of the magnetosphere....you worried about the weakening magnetosphere or something? Waste of thought. Nothing we can do about it anyway.



Ok. And? Do you like looking up during the day in TES and seeing a big bright "sun"? I would expect so. Having auroras would be the same point as having the "sun" in the sky in TES. No need to complicate it. Any explanation will do.



By that logic, how can one expect to put our universe under scientific study? Having basic rules and many unexplained things IRL is the same state that the TES universe is in. Bethesda seeks to make TES more like a distant parallel universe, where much is different, but much is the same as well.

This effect should be in Skyrim because it would be awesome. Not too difficult. Not problematic. Not frustrating. Not debatable. Just awesome.

At the end of the trailer you see the light swirling around the dovhakin, i think an aurora should form in
the sky over the player every time he kills a dragon

Bethesda has always had exceptionally impressive night skies, Morrowind's was years ahead of its time, and so on. I wouldn't be surprised to see some interesting effects.