Would you find that your competition should have / be using this same information?

Cosmetics only.

What a false perception of someone who think he's being pro using addons to get tactical info from other players. Give me a break, whats next, no clipping mode?

Almost makes me want to open a photobucket account so I can show you how clean my UI is and I have a load of mods installed.

It won't end. These people will still be here crying on each other shoulders, when the rest of us are playing the game in about a Month.

Not to any significant degree.

Your age and reflexes, your gear, your build, your gaming technology, your skill, how the fight started, your lag/latency/ping. All of those things have a far, far bigger impact than one or two more pieces of information. The only time an add on would make a difference is if it was a duel between 2 people with precisely identical builds with all the other factors pretty much the same. That is never going to happen in pvp in this game, a pvp that is really fast compared to thing like lotro.

As far as i'm concerned this game is competing to win customers from WoW/Conan/Lotro/Rift and all the other MMO's that encourage add-ons. They want to recoup their investment and make money .

This is a company that has made a huge investment in a highly competitive environment so they are not ceding add-ons as a competitive/marketing advantage to anyone. I'm pretty old and would be pretty crap even if i had a pair of flying sharks with laser beams on their heads modded in. But I want this game to be the place competitive players bring their gaming dollar over to. The more the merrier.

That's why they have explicitly created the capability to build these mods and game out of their way to encourage them.

It's not some big surprise that it can do the things it does. They designed it to do that. Do people think they didn't know?

Use them or don't use them.

Well, I think we have a right to complain, the votes look pretty clear to me! Please spare me your [censored] aswell...

"You're a naysayer, you know nothing of this type of game..."

"I'm a MMO veteran, I don't even need this information, I would own you without it..."

"This is an MMO, this isn't Skyrim online..."

I think the voting speaks for itself, even if it evens out, you'll still have a vast majority that wants it removed...

I really don't care if they have addons or not. I so don't care.

The way people talk about it though, people here that don't want them, I don't know what to say. Some of them literally do not care about other people's opinions, or their thoughts, they're just selfish and want everything their way. They can't even say it without sounding like entitled jerks.

Sure, some of you don't want addons. I didn't mind until some of you (not you, just in general, and some specific people) just started arguments for no reason, just for the sake of it, and are bringing the same attitude of a certain elitism that they're also trying to stomp out.

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Yeah, the louder and more vocal the opposition is, the more those that don't care are going to fight back just because the haters are being obnoxious.

Its how it goes, really.

I don't care if people don't like addons. I do, if they're there I'm going to use them. /shrug

I'm gonna keep this handy, if you don't mind...

My favorite part of this picture: FPS 8

LOL

I think the problem is that most either doesn't care or they want addon but think it might have gone too far in what the addon could do as shown in some video. However, the problem keep circle round and round by both party that they always denies the opposite opinion and use extreme cases to 'demonstrate' a point which aggravate the opposite party more.

Nobody wants to take away your ui mods as long as it stays reasonable and the line is different for lots of people.

Sad part is, I used most of the same mods that guy's using in that screenshot and my UI looked nothing like that. NOTHING.

So much of that clutter he could have turned off... And yes, the FPS was... most epic. Looked like he was running on a toaster.

I recognized Xperl, DBM, the buff frame that escapes my mind.. I used to use it(that long list of blue bars just to the left of the minimap), Grid, Bartender and it looks like shock and awe.

Good lord. I raided in TBC with a monitor at 800x600 and REALLY BIG XPERL frames(I'm legally blind) but my UI looked nothing like that. I like being able to see what I'm standing in.

I think part of what people aren't understanding is that the guys using them aren't cheating. The information is available.

Cheating implies using something that they're not supposed to have access to to gain an advantage. Doping your horse to win a race. Things like that.

All of the information that's available in an addon is available through the API to your client, whether or not you have it displayed on screen or not. And the interrupt thing is most certainly part of the default UI. You can toggle it on and off.

Should have? Lol, they'll have to have the same mods as me if they want to beat me. When you're talking specifically about the top 1% you're talking about a whole different game. You can boast about how naturally skilled you are, but the fact remains that my mods will flash a counter-skill the exact second you trigger any ability. You can try and read my visual cues, but I will have your timers by the millisecond. You cannot cloak from me because my game will know to look for everything that doesn't register as a tree/prop/npc/ and target it as a cloaked player. You can never flank me. You can never fake me. If you want to be in the top ranks you can only svck it up and run my mods or more, and then pray your reflexes are faster than mine.

And if thier latency is lower youre screwed.

I find latency to be the biggest effector in pvp.

@ reflexes, have me beat. I end up panic and usually miss key something. Even w/ 5+1 & 2 bars .. still greater chance I'll goof up. And that's not even comparing to your level of play.

Its this kind of filth that has ruined true competative gaming...

When in the past this kind of thing was called CHEATING and would get you banned from league play is now the norm... true skilled based competitive gameing just doesn't exist anymore... Have fun letting the computer win for you.. great for the shallow ego.

I think I'm now 100% done with any hope a skill based game will ever be made ever again. Oh well, was fun while it lasted... even if for such a fleeting moment in time, we will always remember what it used to be like before the bots took over, before the borg consumed everything... back when a game was actually fun to play.

DO NOT CARE if this gets me flamed, Its 100% the god damned truth, and everyone knows it. Would say more, use examples, prove my point, but the pearls would just be wasted. Have fun pretending you don't svck.

Not true unless you're referencing a prodigious disparity.

If by prodigious disparity you mean my 15ms latency vs most others' then yes.

Given equal skill, lower latency wins.