No.

What exactly are we arguing here?

If that is true, how does my laptop rank up to yours?
I don't need to play the game in 1080p, 1050 or 720 is fine, as long as it looks as good as it would on my 360 and plays as smoothly, then I will get it for the laptop.


I know people will not be able to tell me Skyrim requirements, but you can tell me your experiences with Oblivion and what your opinion on running Skyrim would be. Thanks.

I thought I linked to the laptop again, but it failed.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666248683#specifications
So so so sorry for the triple post!

Hmm actually it's difficult to say with that machine. I'm concerned that the GPU will not be up to par. It's got a nice processor and plenty of RAM (both of those specs are better than my laptop), but the video card could use a boost seeing as that is usually the bottleneck component when it comes to gaming. Since we don't know what the required specs are for Skyrim and how well it runs compared to oblivion, you may actually want to consider a console version... I'd say wait and see how people are saying the game runs on PCs in general. Sorry I can't really give a more definitive answer than that, perhaps someone else who owns a laptop with that GPU can provide a better idea.

Decent? If you call a new engine and better graphics than Crysis with the same system requirements "decent"...I just call it awesome. I wish every company would optimize their engines so much as Crytek does.

TRUE, the laptop industry having saturated office market have discovered the gaming market, and theres Laptops specified for gaming, depending on what the OP have as Video chip it can very well be used as a gaming rig.
And if the video chip is good you can bet it will run it way better than in any console actually in the market. He may not see such diference with a HD TV 1080p since the only diference beetween a 1080p TV and a 1600X1050 monitor is the pixel sixe (which do a diference in the sense the monitor will have crisper image) but if he goes up as to hook a 25" to 30" monitor there will be a hell of a diference.

Steam is buckets of win; preload the game and then play instantly at launch; loose your cd's it's cool steam has your back.


Also PC bonuses are:

1: graphics
2: mods; dont like the UI theres a mod for that, want an additional 80+ hours of gameplay there is a mod for that called Nehrim, want better graphics there is a mod for that, better sound, no level scaling ect and so on...spears?
3: customization (controls go keyboard, go joypad, go whatever you feel like)

So, you would say that I could run Oblivion on good settings, smoothly, then?

Since Windows7(this gen), I've had RROD and Disk-Scratching happen more than that .......

Based on your windows score, you are probably fine. However, dedicated memory means nothing on a video card. If you have an integrated GPU, for instance, the game probably won't run that well. Again, based on your windows score, I'd wager it's not integrated though. You should be fine.

1: run skyrim off of ramdisk
2:????????????
3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H91rPIq2mN4

It's not shipping with DX11

They've yet to show maxed pc footage

and the demo looked like poo.

Luckily for them most potential customers likely aren't picky enough to notice or care.


You had lots of sense to say but I can't agree with this one. Most people are not going to notice the difference between 30fps and 60fps, and certainly not to the point of "barely being able to run the game." Perceived smoothness most often has to do with consistency in frame rate rather than the actual numerical frame rate. Most of the times when a gamer actually notices significant frame loss is when the game drops many frames and then goes back to a higher frame rate again. I'd take a solid 30fps over 60fps with constant frame fluctuation any day. Most jarring incidents of frame loss that have to do with a game "barely running" are the game dropping down to like 15fps or less.

yeah other than the rage storm thats started on hrrm lets see.

Crymods
mycrysis
gametrailers
gamespot
everywere

From what i can tell the console demo didn't impress to many peeps and they were probably banking on a good amount of PC sales, which will not arrive.

And as for the PC demo, lets see. PUSH START TO PLAY, AUTO AIM ENABLED , three preset graphical options, 6v6, low rez textures, dx9 only.....yep, and it feels like a port with the oversized HUD, and gun that takes up 1/4 of the screen

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,768604/Crysis-2-Everything-about-DirectX-11-3D-without-perfomance-drop-and-8-core-optimization/News/

And the demo is limited to DX9.

I should probably clarify what I mean there, then - I don't mean that 30fps is inherently not good enough, simply that if you can't run the game at 60fps then you're very borderline being able to play it at all. Personally I'll live with 20fps in a slow paced game without great complaint, but 60fps is preferred by far. Your other point is also very important - if you can't run the game at 60fps normally it's going to *crawl* during heavy sections.

@Benrahir; I'm afraid not, the engine has no DX10 support even. I'd grab an article for source but it's late and I can't be bothered
Also, neither console runs it at 720p, with the PS3 being a little closer to it but still falling short. I think that article was more their goals than their achievements.

As for the demo itself I have to say I was highly disappointed. Not only was it a clear console port, playing more like CoD than Crysis, with auto-aim and the worst graphics settings panel I have ever seen (I mean, come on, I've seen "no settings", but I've never seen something that pathetic), but the maps themselves are so constrained. Crysis multiplayer was great fun because of the size and freedom of the maps, making it more than just a mindless shooter, it was more than possible to avoid all your enemies, and in order to win you had to pick which objectives to tackle first - go for ones your enemy won't reach in time and you'll get easy objectives, but if you don't take them on, they'll get objectives you need. But no, one objective at a time, with an arrow pointing directly at it? It's more CoD where you can jump higher than crysis.

This. Hell most movies are recorded somewhere between 24-30 fps and they don't look like they lag. As said here, most noticeable lag is the result of fluctuating fps unless you drop below 24 fps.

Maybe it's true. As it says in wikipedia:

"Crysis 2 supports DX9 and DX11, DX11 will be patched in post release"

...well, I hope IT'S really patched. In any case, the myth has fallen down a bit for me

I am going to be very careful and selective when I add mods on this time...make sure they work together...100%...otherwise, they are going to be chopped off. In Oblivion, I did not do this, and wasted too much time in trying to find which of the 250 was causing the glitch.

I probably do this too much, but I do have to speak up on this point. TV and Movies look as they do partially because people have grown to recognise that as "television" (Indeed, 60fps movies and TV were trialed, and not adopted because in a double-blind people thought the 60fps footage was "faker"), and partially because of heavy use of motion blur (Which, incidentally, is why it's almost impossible to get a decent still image of TV or movies - it looks great in motion but if you pause it the quality simply isn't there per-frame) (Standard recording quality is about 120fps, just to get the detail to blur everything together convincingly!). The same does not hold true for video games, where true motion blur is still little used. Crysis had DX10 powered per-object motion blur, which contributes an awful lot to the overall quality of the image and does actually let the framerate drop to 20-30 fps and remain smooth (The effect is particularly noticable if you turn motion blur on and off - with motion blur the image seems smoother, regardless of framerate). It could even mask fairly heavy fluctuations in framerate by being smart about how it blurs!

Per-object motion blur is a great thing, and will probably be on the back of a lot of video game cases early next console generation, because it enables the TV-like sense of smoothness - but it's not standard yet, unfortunately.

Below average in what way? I have been using PC's for years, infact going back to the 80's, and I have lost count the times windows needed reinstalling or crashed or I had trouble getting a particular game to work, is it my fault? Really, I guess everyone in the PC hardware and software issues forum who are struggling to get FO3 or Oblivion to work are below average computer users then too? That isn't a very fair statement, there are lots of reasons a game will fail to run, different configurations, different OS's, different or wrong drivers installed, conflicting programs etc etc I will admit that XP was more stable than ME and its predecessors but I have still had to reinstall it probably 5 or 6 times due to crashes or clearing up a congestion system. I haven't tried Windows 7 yet but when the price comes down I will try that too.

Yes PC's are expensive to maintain, I had to buy a new PSU a few months back because my old Thermaltake one stopped working. When I last upgraded I had a faulty stick of Memory, had to replace that because the PC wouldn't post, then when I got the replacement and installed it although Windows worked fine games would crash after a few mins. Why? Well after weeks of stress and consulting with my dealer I found that although my Gigabyte X48-DQ6 Motherboard stated it supported DDR2 1066 Ram infact it didn't! It caused memory errors which was causing my games to hard lock, I had to slow the memory down to DDR2 800 for the errors to dissapear! You understand now why I ended up having enough of PC hardware now? You don't understand on a tight budget the amount of stress all this caused! Now I got my PS3 free with my Sony Bravia in a promotion and at first I was as skeptical as you dedicated PC fanatics as all I had used in the past was PC's (apart from a Super Nintendo and an Atari 2600 when I was a kid) but I soon realised that while I couldn't play all my games in Full HD (which I couldn't before anyhow because of my monitors native resolution) they still looked fantastic and I didn't have to worry about all the above problems, or past problems anymore! I turn my PS3 on, sit back and it works every time! Now I can spend more of the little time I have spare playing games rather than trying to get them to work or trying to get my PC to work.

Many of my mates who are the same as me, old school, are doing the same thing that I did, one just bought a PS3 another a Xbox 360! Why? Because although they are PC fans they are fed up with PC problems too! Lets face it the PS3 is basically just a PC anyhow, I use it for browsing the net along with my laptop, playing music through my surround sound system, and watching Blu-Rays, videos and for viewing photos in 52 inchs of my little daughter

This is true.

Just this night for instance I were playing Oblivion again and getting a tad annoyed having to click 'accept' each time I wanted to pick up more than two items. So... I google for a hotkey mod and ended up with three:

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10812
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27638
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=12859

:D

no what you said is untrue. you can only fit so much into a small laptop case (which you can only make so big), and the more technology advances (as you argued is advancing rapidly), the more powerful the hardware will be. the more powerful the hardware, the hotter your system is going to get. that means a hot processor, and a processor isn't immune to melting just like any other piece of metal. so yes i can make those generalizations if i have my facts straight.

this is of course unless they come out with some new fusion/dark matter etc space age hardware that somehow doesn't require a ridiculously large amount of electrons have to pass through the motherboard and other things in your hardware and cause heat (unlikely any time soon).

of course you could try getting liquid nitrogen cooling, but 1. i'd doubt they make those in laptops, 2. that is very expensive, and 3. you'd better have godly (hot) hardware because liquid nitrogen in our conditions is an average of around -330 degrees fahrenheit. (yes cold will make your system crash)

and i do have a gaming laptop, and it runs oblivion with many mods on high settings at well over 60 fps. it doesn't overheat, but it did before i put a new fan in it.

i'm not jabbing at PCs either, (though i may be jabbing at a laptop's accessibility when it comes to gaming). but i am getting a desktop (which i think OP should do) because no matter what way you put it they are still more ideal for gaming than a laptop. and still unless you are rich, buying a laptop for 2000 with the same specs as a desktop that if you built yourself would cost around 700-900 dollars is just foolish.