Aedra and Daedra

Post » Sun May 29, 2011 1:54 am

This is just a quickie. What exactly are their definitons if they are both et'Ada? Or am I already missing something? The clearest definitions I can get are from Aedra and Daedra -- Aedra are creators, Daedra are changers. Is that really all there is to it?
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 2:24 am

http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/aedra_daedra.shtml has a pretty good description. Simply said, the aedra made mundus by giving up parts of themselves, while the daedra said "no thanks" and instead made realms that *are* themselves.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 2:29 am

That's the text I referenced. :P

Thank you, though, any significant lore on the creation of Mundus and the involvement of et'Ada?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:30 am

http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b063_gods.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b055_lightdark.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/aedra_daedra.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/clanmother.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/anuad.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/shezzardivines.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/varietiesoffaith.shtml

Careful what you wish for. :P

They're in no particular order, the Monomyth however is the keystone. I did leave out most of texts relating to the First and Second Era though, the et'Ada were still much more pervasive in stories then.

Also from the obscure texts:

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/sporedream.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/census_daedra.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/aldudagga.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/tsaesci.shtml

And now you know why they're called the obscure texts.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:16 pm

Sorry to hijack this topic, but from that text L. Nerevar posted, it says Aedra can be killed. Why don't the Daedra just kill them then as I though they are foes?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:03 pm

Sorry to hijack this topic, but from that text L. Nerevar posted, it says Aedra can be killed. Why don't the Daedra just kill them then as I though they are foes?


They?re not exactly foes, they?re just at a permanent diplomatic impasse
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:44 am

Sorry to hijack this topic, but from that text L. Nerevar posted, it says Aedra can be killed. Why don't the Daedra just kill them then as I though they are foes?


Mostly because it's an introductory text. Keeps things simple.

The Aedra can die because they already have and now we're worshipping the after images, moulded by expectation and belief. Alternatively they've departed Mundus.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:08 pm

The Aedra can die because they already have and now we're worshipping the after images, moulded by expectation and belief. Alternatively they've departed Mundus.


It's the second time I see you write that. Didn't only some of them die - becoming the earthbones? The eight gave up "parts" not "lives". So what gives?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:25 pm

Die in the sense they've reproduced to live. http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml#Cyrodiilic

Alternatively, their divine centers are floating around in the Aetherius.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:09 pm

Okay, another "sidetrack" ... Is Akatosh a dragon becuase mortals have given him that form, or did Akatosh give them the form of a dragon?
/pedantry
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:28 pm

In Cyrodiil, I'm thinking its a meme, passed down from Tsaesci interlopers. I may be mistaken, but cyrodilic sources predating the second empire don't mention a dragon Akatosh. Before the dragon, he was a serpent, a tiger, and a humanesque figure. I guess it depends on said culture, either way :nod:
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:58 pm

It's the second time I see you write that. Didn't only some of them die - becoming the earthbones? The eight gave up "parts" not "lives". So what gives?


Mostly me being sloppy.

The death part mostly comes from the intro of Monomyth. Yet under Auri-El's entry in Faith in the Empire and the Intercept it's noted that the gods left. However dead or gone, still we have these gods right here on Mundus.

The answer to that is in the Light and Dark, where people imprint their memories of how they saw the gods on the gift limbs of Mundus and recreate them. It's also the reason the Aedra are called givers before lairs in Sermon twenty one, they lie about their own existence. Mankar approaches them in the same way, as lairs, but he implies other lies.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:43 pm

Okay, another "sidetrack" ... Is Akatosh a dragon becuase mortals have given him that form, or did Akatosh give them the form of a dragon?
/pedantry


Ouroboros is a symbol. One of the oldest too or so wikipedia tells me.
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