Oh and I also read that Lorkhan said that his creation Mundus would make apotheosis easier. Why would the Et'Ada want that? Are they not already ascended or is Chim even higher than Godhood?

Does this mean that the "Gods" have not realized their place in the wheel either and needed help doing so?

As I understand it, CHIM is higher than Godhood, but CHIM is also a big ol' can o' worms. For the sake of not turning this thread into five separate conversations, I would strongly suggest not opening this can. Not now anyway.

Very nice.

Regarding Mundus, the Aedra have nothing to loose, having surrendered all to her, and the Daedra have nothing to gain, having given none of themselves to her. Is this a fair understanding?

So only the Daedra have the potential to fall into love with Mundus.

A.) didn't The Worm God become a moon of Arkay with such an orbit so as to eclips him from Nirn every few days? The Shade of Revelant and whatnot?

B.) There is a huge chunk of Talos's soul that is under Vvardenfall providing the power for the volcano. What is left is either in the moons, Going through the Dreamsleeve, or in the Heart (wherever it disapeared to after the enchantments on it were broken)

This sounds almost mentally disturbed, but, uh, I don't think I fully understand love. However, I'm pretty sure you're right about the first part.


A) Yup
B) What? I'm really rather curious about this "chunk of Talos's soul" you're talking about. Could you say more?

They orbit Nirn, it seems, with Mundus referring to the landmass the games are set on, plus the moons and the eight planets, while Nirn is just the terra firma in the middle. It's been a while, so I may have reversed those terms. Help!

They gave /cut off parts of themselves. Gift Limbs, is the term.

The Ehlnofey/Earthbones were Aedric spirits completely subsumed into creation. You're walking on them.

@Sonic Snap

-Mundus is the mortal "realm", a bubble surrounded on all sides by Oblivion
-Nirn is a planet, and the center point, in Mundus
-Tamriel is a content on Nirn, and the place that the games are set on

The other "worlds" all revolve around Nirn, and the sun and stars are rips in Mundus that the light of Oblivion shines through.

Have you ever belonged to someone, and the feeling reciprocated? Love is a healing between two people.

Pretty sure all of this is right, except it's the light of Aetherius that shines through.

Love is sacrificial. Besides that, what Canis jackfrost said.

Oneness. God. Love. The only uniting force deeper than the Hunger. Rather, the Hunger is exhausted by love.

More to the point, the Upstart is the personification of love, champion of romance. This is why Talos is strong, and Alinor hates him so. If you remember the Whirling School's lesson of the Hurling Disk, you know that Talos fills it. Reach Heaven by violence.

ohh ok then.

thought the light came from Oblivion.

Also, don't forget that between Nirn and Aetherius is Oblivion. Oblivion can be seen as the blackness between stars (or, "space")... but even that doesn't do it justice. We're talking bubbles of infinite size floating inside smaller bubbles of infinite size inside of larger bubbles of infinite size.

So, when things get weird, I refer to MK:


http://www.imperial-library.info/content/cosmology

Aren't the planets only viewed as planets because mortals minds can't understand infinity inside infinity and thus thier mind reasons it into world shapes?

Yes, that's right. They lie beyond mortal ken, or the bubble of consciousness they call home.

Also, when their stars "fell" in the Middle Dawn, Mundus had actually expanded beyond them, to fill the Aurbis. They are remembered as having fallen... If that helps you grip with the planet dynamic.

More or less.



Like I said, we've got small Infinite Spaces(a) floating inside of a larger Infinite Space(b ) surrounding Infinite Spaces(a/c) (and at least one theoretically Finite one(d)), chock-full of other minor Infinite Spaces©, all surrounded by yet another Infinite Space(e), which is surrounded by at least one, or perhaps 2, even LARGER Infinite Spaces(f).


a-The Aedric plane(t)s
b-Oblivion
c-Potentially Daedric realms, or even just lesser moons
d-Tamriel, if the Realm of Change, would then technically be Infinite... but I'm not gonna get nitpicky here
e-Aetherius
f-At the least, the Void; perhaps even Aetherius is wrapped inside of an infinite bubble trapped in between the Original Forces. I'm not 100% sure on what's floating around at that scale, though.