I don't think you can count these as true aedric artifacts. Even if you did they don't even come close to the fame of most if not all of the daedric artifacts or any of the Tamrielic lore artifacts famously known. I'm biased though. I can't stand the nine divines. I keep getting this picture in my head of some stupid nord or imperial praising one of the nine divines from Oblivion. Blessed [insert nine divine here] blah blah blah. Just shut up stupid women before i [censored] slap you.

In what way are those less authentic than any other artifact? Just because they're less famous? Auriel's bow figures prominently in several myths, so it's pretty famous, by the way.

I might have missed something, but since when did an artifact require the blood of the being who created it?
For example, daedric armor is said to be created from the souls of daedra, in a mechanism very much like soul-trapping.

Other artifacts seem to be created from the power or essence of the being. I'm thinking specifically about a certain sword in Battlespire, which was said to be created from Dagon's power.

Now, we know Aedra are more reserved than Daedra, scarcely meddling in the affairs of mortals, if not for letting themselves be worshiped and giving sparse blessing. Some of you propose Mundus as being an Aedric artifact, but mundus does not qualify for one reason:
It was not created as an artifact by a specific aedra. Thus probably the 'essence' or power, or what-have-you of those who participated is too intermingled or murky at best.

Ok, sorry if this are more like rambling than anything, but hopefully someone can make something out of it...
Edit: Also, please let me know if I'm mistaken about anything.

Cutting off a piece of yourself doesn't count?

The world is shaped by myth and lore. Martin 'knew' that the only Aedric artifact was the Armor of Tiber Septum, and so that is all that worked.

Essence and blood and soul should be read as virtual synonyms. Not always, but when we're talking about the gods' gifts. Battlespire was Imperial in origin. Aedra aren't exertive, but the eart bones are constantly involved. The Imperials and Altmer have very Aetherial, very anemic gods. So, in their cultures, the divines seldom or, in the Altmeri case, never sojourn from Aether. Cultures like the Bosmer and Redguard have a very different perspective of their gods, most closely attuned to the earth bone aspects, or when the Aedra were exclusively involved and instrumental in creation. My long-winded point is, the level of activity depends on which cultural lens you're looking through.


Nirn is an arteficial construct of beings from another time, these beings were aedra.

uh huh...So, what you are saying is, despite there being other aedric artifacts all around the world, because Martin said that the armor of Tiber was the only one, it is the only one? I don't like that logic. Martin was just some ex-daedric worshiper turn priest of the Nine.

Mmh. I think he's got consensual reality confused with myth shaped reality, the latter being another way to say that tvtropes is actually the largest collection of power structures.

I figured. I just can't find the words to say how he's incorrect, and the measures he should understand to correct it, or something.

I don't beive that, of coarse. I just am making an excuse for faulty devs

Don't try.

IIRC, I believe Ebony is the Aedra's blood...

Shor's

It's a battle of semantics to define exactly what Shor is. He's definitely et-Ada but probably shouldn't be conveniently placed in either the Anu or Padomay camp. I always got the impression he kinda represented a duality, like Vivec on a much larger scale.

The Brush of Truepaint, as mentioned above, stands the closest to being the direct essence of an Aedra since that painter fellow mentioned it was created from strands of Dibella's own hair. I have to imagine Martin was simply ignorant of the brush (he doesn't seem particularly skilled a scholar if he needs Jauffre's help).

He'd certainly be entirely unaware of the blessed items the avatars of the Nine offered the Nerevarine, IF they were even canonically offered in the first place.

So simply put--Martin's a goof.

But otherwise, I'd argue the brush was more of an Aedric artifact than the silly armor: it was a mortal man who bled in it, not the ascended god he became.

Nobody knew of the brush except for the painter and the thief. Martin couldn't be excepted to know of it.

Though that's true, that's likely because in the original game, the only artifacts you can get are generally the ones from Daedric quests, which are, well, Daedric. And it's not like Bethesda couldn't have put a few more in the game if it suited their needs, they made the armor of Tiber Septim the only one that would work because they wanted the player to go on that quest.

In any case, I can see a number of answers to this question, one is that it's simply a lore screwup, maybe someone at Bethesda either forgot about those artfacts or decided to ignore them for the sake of the story, it's not the first time Bethesda has done this, and it's definately not the first time a writer has done this.

Since Elder Scrolls lore is Serious Business, though, people generally aren't satisfied with blaming apparent inconsistencies on an issue outside the gameworld, so we might assume that the screwup was an in-universe one, after all, while writers can get things wrong, or ignore them if it suits their purposes, so can fictional characters, maybe Martin and Jauffre simply weren't aware there were other options.

It could also be that Martin litterally needed blood, as has been suggested, and the armor might have some of Tiber Septim's caked blood on it, in that case, the armor seems to make sense. The first or second explanations seem to be better at adressing why we were told about there not being many artifacts of the Divines, though.



If it did, it would be irrelavent in the situation, since Martin did not have it, and in fact, you NEEDED an Aedric artifact so you could go get it back from Mankar Cammoran, even if you did have it at the time, it wouldn't exactly be smart to destroy the artifact you need to save the world before hand in order to open a portal, would it?



I'm not sure about the other two, but in Morrowind at least some Dunmer say that ebony is the crystalized blood of the gods, of course, just because they say it doesn't mean its true, but there are things fans almost universally accept as true in the universe that are much harder to believe. Since the Heart of Lorkhan is thee, I could see some of his blood being there as well.

It is said to be the blood of Lorkhan. My take on it is that because the Heart was at the center of the volcano, mortals figured that the veins of Ebony and Glass must have been his blood. Whether it has taken on a greater meaning through myth is unknown, but whatever the case, Mehrunes Dagon's minions seem to have an endless supply of similar substances, which I think is no coincidence that his realm is volcanic. Or at least has lava everywhere, with islands of hardened lava.

But either way, I don't think Lorkhan would count for Martin's purposes.

Shor tends to be the albino black sheep of the divines that created Mundus.

Going back to a previous point, Talos's armor was most likely used due to it's significance for when Martin wears it, instead of charging at the hellspawn army with a paintbrush. Though, that would be HILARIOUS! But that may have cause the ranks to question Martin's sanity... :hehe:

Perhaps he would have used to paint a bigger army. :lmao:

I know this thread hasn't been posted on in a while, but I just realized something; Auriel's Bow and Auriel's Shield, which he supposedly used to defeat Lorkhan, are made of ebony. So how could Ebony be Lorkhan's blood if his foe wielded ebony? According to the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel:The_Monomyth, Auriel had his ebony gear before fighting Lorkhan.

While not widely known, Auriel would sneak into Lorkhan's room while he was asleep, and cut his arm weekly for his blood. Lorkhan often wondered why his arm was constantly scabby after waking up, in which Auriel would just tell him he'd been drinking too much.

perhaps ebony can be made from the essence of any god? ten he'd just have to go emo.

This is an interesting question, and an interesting debate. If we get caught up in the 'blood' aspect of an artifact, then we could continue to argue what does and does not constitute the blood of a Divine. However if we define an Aedric artifact as having been 'forged' by a god or containing the favor and/or aspect of a god then this list, with the inclusion of the Brush of Truepaint, seems pretty accurate. (not sure if Chrysamere was forged by a god though). In fact the only artifact on this list that doesn't qualify as an Aedric artifact is the Armor of Tiber Septim because a)He didn't forge it, and b)It is the bloody armor of an Emperor, not a god. You could probably say the same for the Boots of the Apostle.

As for the Crusader's relics, you don't need to cite them as relating to Shor. Each of the pieces, save the cuirass and greaves, was forged by a god:
Helm - Dibella
Gauntlets - Stendarr
Boots - Kynareth
Shield - Julianos
Mace - Zenithar
Sword - Arkay

After playing through the Imperial Cult missions again in Morrowind, I have discovered I've left off several, including Akatosh' Ring. But the point remains. I guess it's a question in some of these cases as to where the item actually ever belonged to the god or is just named after him/her.