And don't watch Donnie Darko - even your bed isn't safe from those damn planes.

But on a serious note, it will have bugs. Whether they will be crippling is another question. I'm willing to take the risk though If you've really got the self control (and props to you if you do) just wait until the reviews come in to judge whether to buy it or not.

I always ask myself why people who hesitate getting the game, what are they doing on a Skyrim forum? (I don't mean the thread maker because he is new and curious, a future fan and regular forum member :celebration: )

I only got involved about a year ago, so I've always played with the "last" version in the GOTY. Apart from the occasional strange NPC behavior, an occasional CTD which I chalk up to just 'very complex game' I would say that Oblvion is one of the most bug free games I've ever played. And I've always had mods running, right from day one, in fact I've added more, more, more over time. At one point I did see performance issues resulting from the mods, but optimizing and tweaking with Tomlong's guide fixed it.

It's a valid concern and it's one I share. I intend to wait for the game to come out and see how the bug reports go.

I thought it was exceptionally crappy that they stopped patching the old game too. Not cool.


Uh... No. I have the most patched-possible version of the game. I've also already had one item appear in my inventory that I can't get rid of under any circumstance. I've not even started the thief's guild quests, which has a TON of bugs in it.

I've also not finished running down quest lines for much other than the Dark Brotherhood, so I have no idea how many NPCs I've lost or how many more I'll encounter. There are some significant bugs still present in this game, and there are a ton of small ones.



No, there will be new ones - that's his concern. Based on past performance, it's a valid concern.




Check the list of known bugs for Oblivion. There are a ton of them. I'm skeptical that you've played that often and that long and not run into any of them. Perhaps you've been able to correct them, but there are still a bunch out there. Also bear in mind the PC users got a lot more patches than the console players did because you guys can keep making them for each other.



Indeed. I have the same version for PS3. The original was terribly buggy. The GOTY version seems to be doing better.



No, they're really not. You're entitled to think what you want, but that thought is errant in this case.



Just because you're not aware of them or watching enough to see them doesn't mean they aren't there. It's also possible you're playing the PC version which again, was patched more than the PS3 or 360 versions.



There are still some pretty serious bugs in the GOTY Oblivion package, so I wouldn't count on that either.




I think the OP is very much wise to be skeptical about the game and I share his concerns about it. I'm going to wait and see how things go from the reviews before I pick up the game. I'll also be keeping an eye on the bug threads that come up on the boards, the official bug list by BGS, and the wiki sites.

Based on past performance, the OP has every reason to be concerned about the bugs, glitches and patches - it can make what should have been the best game some of us ever played... Ultimately broken and useless.

Shame to hear of ur bad luck I had almost no problem with OB can't even remember any real issues at all MW I almost quit couldn't get past the first town without crashes...I got the goty addition of OB so it was patched. I thunk we'll c glitches because it's a massive open world I'm just waiting till it new gradiant animation tool there using make some npc do some serious moonwalk/double/threeknee action lol.
Or when im talking n there still doing there choirs suddenly there face will pop out the back of there heads or summit. It will never bet the rocket daedra tho fly rocket dino fly where u [censored] down no 1nos lol just like the robots in fallout.

I apologize for the necromancy of this thread.

Tonight however, my roommate and I were playing through Oblivion with our character that has just hit level 40. It took a lot of work. We're trying to complete every quest in the game.

We had put off the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Vampire_Cure quest, partially because we simply hadn't caught it but once and we had quickly cured it before we became vampires.


So we caught the disease. Luckily, I had a potion of cure disease on the character at the time. My roommate saved and said, "Well, we could do that vampire quest now."



I said, "I read that there were a TON of bugs associated with that quest. Better back up your save first."

9 hours later (yes, we spent all day on this), we could not, no matter what, get http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Melisande to accept our bloodgrass. We tried everything we could think of, to no avail.

We eventually had to go reload the backup copy, cure the disease with the potion, and continue on.

Otherwise, we probably would have been stuck as a vampire forever.



This is the kind of thing that is absolutely unacceptable to modern gamers. It was never patched, and it was never taken out. It was never corrected, but everyone with a 360 or PS3 that encounters this quest is essentially screwed. Their character and all the work they had done - is over - and it was wasted.

That's EXACTLY why this game, despite having profoundly amazing qualities to it in many regards, is still a mediocre game (at best) when all is said and done. Yeah, it won Game of the Year for its innovations. It also turned out to be a very average game if played past the eye-candy and if the actual functionality of the game rather than the neat-o way NPCs behave is examined.

I think that for a long time video games were a niche market, and those that were very immersed in them were kind of held hostage to substandard products. They didn't have as much voice or as many economic resources collectively as "gamers" do now. Gaming wasn't "cool" for a long time, but we've entered a new realm where many people that didn't used to pay any attention to video games now do.

And this level of quality is pretty unacceptable to many of us. It simply won't fly.



The OP is concerned about buying the game. His concerns are very justified, and Bethesda should be concerned as well.

Bethesda created a game that was in many ways, simply amazing. In many other ways however, it was so poorly designed and constructed that it's absolutely inexcusable, and only a fool would invest their time and money into the next one.

Bethesda has created a game that gives them the opportunity to bark like a big dog. Their execution of that potential however, makes them appear to pee like a puppy.



The OP, as well as many other people, are watching very closely to see what Bethesda says about patching games in the future, better play-testing, acknowledging their past mistakes, and giving some assurances that what happened with Oblivion won't be repeated with Skyrim.

It's an issue that needs to be acknowledged and addressed. If customers like the OP and myself are left to interpret future outcomes based on past experiences... Well, Bethesda's track record here doesn't exactly do them any favors.



I don't blame the OP for his concern. On the contrary; I share it. If Bethesda fails to acknowledge the errors they made with Oblivion and doesn't offer assurances that it will be handled differently this time, I won't purchase the game until it's out at least 6 months, and even then I'll scrutinize the reviews and bug complaints very carefully first.

The OP and I are not the only ones that feel this way however. There are many customers like us, and we're paying attention. Bethesda should as well.

My PC version of oblivion is the only TES game that has ever crashed on me, and thats not because of Bethesda.

I liked some of the bugs and glitches of Oblivion. Funny at times, annoying at others.

It's a different world for a PC user, because they can use the console to fix issues. They've also gotten more patches from other users.

The PS3 is without several patches that the PC has, and there's no way to use a console to correct them.

What you find "annoying but funny at times" is "the end of the game" for someone on a PS3.

I had to comment on this. Daggerfall was one of the most buggiest games ever. So by your logic, going on a new engine Morrowind shouldn't have been buggy then. But as you said Morrowind was a bug fest.
I find these comments so funny. One person says, "it's a new engine and being created from the ground up, it will be less buggy" while another person will say " well since it's the first time using this engine
it will tend to be buggy."

Put it this way. This is Bethesda. What else are they know for besides making great games? Making bug filled games. There is no way around it. Skyrim will be bug infested. It will have 2 or 3 patches. TES is always
like this, always has, always will. If you are so worried about bugs, don't buy the game.

Put it this way. Skyrim is not being released on 11/11/11. On 11/11/11, it's the day the Beta comes out, and anyone who buys it will be Beta testers, so for you the release date is 11/11/12 when the GotY edtion comes out.

It's simple actually, don't buy the game on relesase day, wait for peoples comments, not proffessional reviews, but people on the forums, and read what they say. Also know when people say Skyrim is the next best thing
since sliced bread, it will be the next best thing since sliced bread with BUGS, and lots of BUGS.

So you either accept them or wait a year till all the patches are out and people mod in Unofficial Skyrim Patch (USP) or don't get it and go play another game that is released early filled with bugs that you will need to wait
months for a patch.

I just started on the PC. I bought and beat everything in the game on the 360. It rarely crashes for me on the 360.

My roommate plays on the PS3 and has never mentioned any bugs. He has even beat the main quest a few times.

I was surprised when I first started seeing these complaints on here.

I think the best possible option is just too buy the game regardless the fears you have for bugs and glitches if they are there they defenetly will be patched no worry,s

There is a worry thou if i may say , if i tell you that i still play fallout 3 and get fustrated a lot that the companions bug still isnt fixed im asking myself " is this where it stops Beth ? " my companion died yesterday because he was a sitting duck in the line of fire just waiting too get mowed down , i may say hee died a lot throu the course of the game just because that stupid bug still wasnt fixed. Bad form i may say

Correct, there will be new bugs:)

New creation engine means a new jumble of bugs. whether they get to them and fix them all before release is the wonder. the reocurring bugs and error-giving bugs are easy to find... unfortunately the bugs that start happening 200 hours in are the tough ones to find. and i'm pretty sure they will happen.

And i'm pretty sure Gamebryo is a rendering engine, not a core game engine.

It's rather simple: Consoles removes bugs with constant updates. PC will get a mod that fixes bugs right away. Even so, why WOULDN'T you buy a TES game? Yeh that's right.

So what you're saying is that you won't buy the game because your afraid of bugs! That's a lame excuse. Go buy it, play it - and you will be convinced that Skyrim is the best game ever made. If you don't you can send the game to me

If you're so confident that's the case, send me the money for the game. When it comes out I'll go buy it. I'll then either send you the game or a refund, whichever I feel is most deserved.

The bugs are well documented on a couple of different sites. They're not fiction. They did not get patched, and they still exist today. Some of them are significant "game ending" bugs - most of them just svck and make the game the opposite of fun.

You are anticipating Skyrim, you even go to the forums, but are afraid that the game will be full of bugs and won't buy it?
Some fan you are. :confused:

I dunno 'bout you, but I always wait until a bit later to buy a game. Just doesn't make sense to me to take a chance on spending time only to have something go kaplooy before a patch comes out :shrug:

Nice taunt.

I recognize the potential this game has, for sure. As did those who awarded it GotY.

At the same time, that doesn't make me blind to or ignorant of some of the rather glaring flaws. The same is probably true for the OP.



True. Mercenaries II anyone? That was actually a great game... Until EA got a-hold of it just before release.

Meh, it's not really that big of an issue with me. Morrowind was buggy as hell, seriously. That game froze every few hours.

I just developed a healthy habit of saving the game every 15 minutes. I do this with ALL Bethesda games. Also, I keep several save files for one character. It sounds like a lot to manage, and one could argue that we shouldn't have to upkeep our game that much. But it doesn't bother me personally. I can understand the frustration of others though.

Skyrim will "hopefully" be less buggy, due to the fact that I believe gamebryo was clunky. But don't get me wrong, it will have bugs. And they will be pretty much patched a year later.

1. Completely new engine- its gonna be beast
2. Personally, i love taking advantage of the glitches at first, and then doing a playthrough without em.
3. I never hit a bug bad enough to run the game, even with how much i take advantage of them

I don't understand.

Everyone throws a fit about TES bugs; I've never encountered any. New Vegas was bad enough to make me say "What?"

"Please Bethesda, make a game that's utterly massive, make it fast so I can play it. Also, no bugs please!"

I also bought the GOTY for PS3, and I had very few bugs except for the already mentioned vampire cure quest.

Since I didn't have the original Oblivion, how exactly does one go about getting the patches on console? Does Bethesda notify you on your console through the internet connection and prompt you to download it, or is it done some other way? Depending on how easy or difficult it is to get the patches, I might just decide to wait, and I really don't want to do that. :/

On BUGS: the game could be extremely buggy (due to being a new engine) to un-bugged

what I'm scared of is that Skyrim PC version is going to be another enslaved to Steamworks effectively denying me the ability to use the game even if I bought the disc because of my dial-up connection. & the console version isn't an option in my case either.