I'm afraid that future fallout games will be dumbed down and not focused on apocalyptic roleplaying and survival but more on guns blazing with ammo everywhere and trying to attract mainstream players, with a majority of them probably call of duty players.

Look at Skyrim for example. Sure it's amazing! But it's also a shallow rpg. Hell, a lot of rpg elements in previous games are by even in Skyrim. It's mostly hack and slash, health regenerating action game with poor writing. Oh man! The writing is so lame! There are good parts, don't get me wrong, and I got my money's worth of fun, but a lot of the quests are radiant, repetitive fetch quests with poor back stories. How does a old cemetery worker lose his diary across all of Skyrim in a huge dungeon cave (true story)?

Also, companions have poor back stories too. I suppose having many available is good, but none with good back stories (such as Boone) is pathetic.

I'm sure Bethesda game studios will excel in exploration, but im afraid the next fallouts will be more pointed to mainstream cod players and not it's true fans and rpg players.

What do you guys think?

I really hope they don't ignore good writing and rpg elements in favor for a purely action game with eye candy places only.

I agree with everything you've said here to-a-tee. I fear the future of the series too.

I have noticed this as well in Skyrim and fear it greatly. I hope they let Obsidian at least write FO4.

It's a shame too. Fallout is probably my favorite or near favorite game series. With a great backstory, story in general, the wastelands, characters, and even weapons, I'd hate to see it go in favor for cod players and the like.

Btw, by cod players, I mean people in general who don't care about RPGs and stories, just shooting blindly and killing everything. There are plenty of fps for that.

The companions in Skyrim had backstories? So far as I could tell, none of them even had personalities, much less back stories. I was trying to think of some way to describe the character of Lydia. She's a housecarl. She's... sworn to carry your burdens. That's about it. That's the entirety of Lydia's character right there.

So, yeah, I think future Fallout games by Bethesda will be pretty shallow. They might still be fun, in that running-around-ruins-killing-monsters-for-no-reason kind of way.

I don't think they quite understand this "good writing" concept that is thrown at them in the forums regularily. They are a big studio with big resources, they could virtually hire the best writers in the world, a full team of them, and yet they give us have-you-seen-my-father'ish [censored] since Oblivion. Something's wrong in this department and I'm afraid they don't see it. Their concept of good writing is definitely original.

I ment they have poor back stories, so none too. You get my point.

You're not alone with that. But the target demographic will likely be the (very numerous) portion of "Bethesda fans" who (apparently) care about nothing else but random exploration.


It's not, really. The icing can be very decieving.

Sorry if I sounded combative. I was actually agreeing with you.

As someone who's friends are entirely in this demographic I agree.

Tbh, I bet most of the fallout fan tics have better stories than what Bethesda may write XD

Obsidian was great. I surely hope they get a part in making the next fallouts.

They're writing is amazing. They don't have to hire liam neeson to make people like their story.

I think we have to wait for Fallout 4, then we may be able to accurately tell where the series is going, but I can see the concern.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Personally I'm optimistic. I enjoyed Oblivion, I enjoyed Fallout 3 (despite critizing their writing), I enjoyed New Vegas, and I enjoyed Skyrim.

I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head here. And this is why Bethesda has no real motivation to improve their writing. Why focus on your writing when a majority of your fanbase ignores it completely?

It's better than mw3, I can tell you that.

I surely hope not. That was a one time accident.
lol @ the irony...

Indeed. Which is a huge shame since Fallout has potential to be so much more than a random hiking simulator.


I haven't played CoD since the second game, so I can not tell.

Fallout 3 really dumbed down the series. So yeah I fear for the future of Fallout as well.

So you prefer fo3 and skyrims rather dull story than obsidians?












Your a one time accident :jk: :dont ban me I'm just playin':

I don't think either Skyrim's or Fallout: 3's storyline is necessarily "dull." Could they be better written? Yes of course. But I didn't think they were dull. "Average" compared to New Vegas's "above average" storyline in my opinion.

Really, New Vegas had the best storyline of the Fallout series the way I see it. Although I think Tactic's was pretty good as well (I haven't played it however, just read over what I could find on it).

I didn't think Fallout 3 was dull either, I enjoyed it and still do. Was it watered down some compared to other titles? Yes.

I could criticize the writing and other points of FO3 like many others always do like it's a day job but I don't as there is no point in it. I'd only be hitting the ground and kicking up dirt where that dead horse once was, it had been beaten so bad there's nothing left of it.

So I'm trying to be optimistic and open-minded about Fallout 4 and not hold on to that pipe dream that Obsidian is going to develop it. Not saying I didn't like Obsidian and NV, I very much enjoyed NV more than FO3 but I'm not going to get my hopes up if they didn't even have a hand in developing FO4

Nah. Bethesda made best writing in fallout 3 and im sure they will improve it in fallout 4.

Also skyrim was huge improvement from oblivion so im sure fallout 4 will take same leap from fallout 3 if possible as fallout 3 is nearly perfect game.

You are their target audience.

*sigh* Why must the majority of the population be shallow morons? I mean, just take a look at Call of Duty and how so many people actually praise its campaign! The story in MW2 was absolute garbage, and some how MW3 managed to be even worse. I mean, at least with CoD 4 I could tell they were putting forth some kind of effort to make a decent story (for what good it did). And I will admit that I did enjoy MW2's campaign. Even though I didn't care for the story, it was still fun. MW3, on the other hand, was painful. They might as well have not wrote anything at all; no dialogue, no story, nothing, just pure mindless shooting and it would have the same exact effect. To me, this symbolizes where the game industry, and indeed even the movie industry is headed. The only thing that can really be saved is books, because that actually requires someone to write a story, they can't just rely on explosions and SUP3R C00L L33T GUNZ.

I hope that if we make a big enough deal out of it, Bethesda will hire some really good writers while the rest of its team can worry about developing the game.

Well maybe because call of duty has very good single player campaing? Its made purely into that game. No wasted seconds into lame stuff, just pure action. Just like in the 80-90`s movies where there was lots of explosions and they didnt try to forcefully put any lame "lovestories" stuff etc..