After Effects of the Shivering Isles : V

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:22 pm

May contain spoilers!

One thing i have been wondering is how do you think the ending of the shivering isles will affect Skyrim , certainly for sheogoraths daedra mission
I mean will it be your character talking ? has Jyggalgg been once again trapped as sheogorath? and will Jyggallag have his own shrine?

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:19 am

May contain spoilers!

One thing i have been wondering is how do you think the ending of the shivering isles will affect Skyrim , certainly for sheogoraths daedra mission
I mean will it be your character talking ? has Jyggalgg been once again trapped as sheogorath? and will Jyggallag have his own shrine?

From my understanding your character changes and becomes Sheogorath, according to what Jyggalad said to you at the end.

» Sun May 29, 2011 2:31 am

It wouldn't really matter. Your character would only know him as Sheogorath. I would like to see a Jyggallag shrine, as well as a Mehrunes Dagon one. He is probably pretty pissed about the Oblivion crisis thing still so I can only imagine his quest would take you down a path of pure hatred.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:45 pm

So how will this effect the daedra quests in skyrim! i wonder?

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:12 am

No. The cycle is broken. Jyggalag and Sheogorath our now separate entities. Most believe your character will have eventually became Sheogorath. Considering you now rule a plane of Oblivion. The Shivering Isles belong to you. They obviously couldn't make you a full on Daedric Prince at the end of SI because then you wouldn't have been able to freely leave the Shivering Isles. As far as voices and looks go it will be the same. Daedric Princes can take on any form they wish, and it's not like the Daedric worshipers often see the princes. As far as they know nothing has changed in the Isles.

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:17 am

I'm certainly curious about Jyggalag. Do we now have 17 daedric princes?

» Sun May 29, 2011 12:01 am

I'm certainly curious about Jyggalag. Do we now have 17 daedric princes?

I'd say yes considering: (from another thread about this)

"Enough! I am beaten. The Greymarch is ended. For millennia this drama has unfolded, and each time, I have conquered this land, only to be transformed back into that gibbering fool, Sheogorath. It was not always so. Once, I ruled this Realm, a world of perfect Order. My dominion expanded across the seas of Oblivion with each passing era. The other Princes, fearful of my power, cursed me with Madness, doomed me to live as Sheogorath, a broken soul reigning in a broken land. Once each era, I was allowed my true form, conquering this world anew. And each time I did, the curse was renewed, damning me to exist as Sheogorath. Now, though, you have ended the cycle. You now hold the mantle of madness, and Jyggalag is free to roam the voids of Oblivion once more. I will take my leave, and you will remain here, mortal. Mortal...? King? God? It seems uncertain. This Realm is yours. Perhaps you will grow to your station. Fare thee well, Sheogorath, Prince of Madness. - Jyggalag

The second part I bolded is why I wonder what is going to happen to him. And why I wonder if Princes can just create new realms within the wastes of Oblivion.
He says the realm is now yours. It belongs to you. You are now the ruler of a plane of Oblivion. If that doesn't mean he/she eventually becomes Sheogorath I don't know what would. They obviously couldn't make you a full-on daedric prince in Oblivion because you wouldn't have been able to re-enter Cyrodiil.

Edit* fixed the bold business

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:14 pm

I'm certainly curious about Jyggalag. Do we now have 17 daedric princes?

I'm pretty sure we do, and I hope we can serve the Daedric Prince of Order in Skyrim. :toughninja:

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:58 pm

Isn't Mehrunes Dagon Destroyed? I can imagine Jyggallag and Sheogorath will have their own shines in this one.

"he's brainier than a brain pie! i like brain pie, care to donate?!"

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:51 am

Isn't Mehrunes Dagon Destroyed? I can imagine Jyggallag and Sheogorath will have their own shines in this one.

"he's brainier than a brain pie! i like brain pie, care to donate?!"

no he was driven off at the end of oblivion, i dont think daedric princes can be destroyed, all we know is they sealed the barrier between the two worlds and pissed him off... ALOT

I'm certainly curious about Jyggalag. Do we now have 17 daedric princes?

well yes and no.. being seperate entities than sheogorath there would be... but noone really knows what will happen in SI although perhaps it will be mentioned in the next novel before skyrim.. perhaps it is run a chain of new leaders after your oblivion character.. perhaps Haskill has usurped you, which is what i'm hoping because poor Haskill always has to put up with [censored].. Heil Haskill!

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:54 am

Perhaps they will interweave Sheogorath and Jyggalags quest I.e Sheogorath has brought madness to a settlement and you have to restore order . something cool.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:06 pm

Isn't Mehrunes Dagon Destroyed? I can imagine Jyggallag and Sheogorath will have their own shines in this one.

"he's brainier than a brain pie! i like brain pie, care to donate?!"

Daedric princes cannot be destroyed. If their forms are "destroyed" then they are re-born in the waters of Oblivion.

He is totally screwed now though. Since he can no longer re-enter mundus because the dragon fires are eternally "lit" (or not needed) thanks to what Martin did, meaning he cannot destroy what he once hid from Alduin, meaning, he is forever cursed to be Dagon. Never to be the Leaper demon king again.

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:17 pm

From my understanding your character changes and becomes Sheogorath, according to what Jyggalad said to you at the end.

How cool would it be for Skyrim to access the Oblivion save game and the statues of Sheogorath to be your character

I know it is highly unlikely but would have been a great touch, with a few sequals using past game saves to shape the new game world a little nowadays

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:52 am

How cool would it be for Skyrim to access the Oblivion save game and the statues of Sheogorath to be your character

I know it is highly unlikely but would have been a great touch, with a few sequals using past game saves to shape the new game world a little nowadays

That sounds interesting, but also terrible.

» Sun May 29, 2011 2:27 am

How cool would it be for Skyrim to access the Oblivion save game and the statues of Sheogorath to be your character

I know it is highly unlikely but would have been a great touch, with a few sequals using past game saves to shape the new game world a little nowadays

That would be for less use of a better word , sixual

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:25 pm

Daedric princes cannot be destroyed. If their forms are "destroyed" then they are re-born in the waters of Oblivion.

He is totally screwed now though. Since he can no longer re-enter mundus because the dragon fires are eternally "lit" (or not needed) thanks to what Martin did, meaning he cannot destroy what he once hid from Alduin, meaning, he is forever cursed to be Dagon. Never to be the Leaper demon king again.

Ah yes I remember now "reborn in the waters of oblivion"
The Last Words Jyggallagg Says Seem To Imply you could be more than just a mortal ruler, "god" the Deadric princes are a separate bunch of deities to the 9 right? And after all Talos was once a mortal and now hes a god so whats to stop Oblivions Char From becoming a Deadric Prince post game.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:18 pm

Here's my question. If your character from Oblivion became the new Sheogorath, is Mehrunes Dagon aware of that? And is Mehrunes Dagon aware of the role that the new Sheogorath had in his defeat?

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:33 pm

Ah yes I remember now "reborn in the waters of oblivion"
The Last Words Jyggallagg Says Seem To Imply you could be more than just a mortal ruler, "god" the Deadric princes are a separate bunch of deities to the 9 right? And after all Talos was once a mortal and now hes a god so whats to stop Oblivions Char From becoming a Deadric Prince post game.

Talos was the first dragonborn am I right?
Well if he was does that mean you can in turn be emperor ? Or to go further the tenth Divine?

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:36 am

Ah yes I remember now "reborn in the waters of oblivion"
The Last Words Jyggallagg Says Seem To Imply you could be more than just a mortal ruler, "god" the Deadric princes are a separate bunch of deities to the 9 right? And after all Talos was once a mortal and now hes a god so whats to stop Oblivions Char From becoming a Deadric Prince post game.

Not to mention that some of the lore added in Shivering Isles hints at the fact that past champions have came and assumed the mantle by stopping the greymarch. Though none had actually broken the cycle before you. http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1096021-arden-sul/page__p__16007026__fromsearch__1#entry16007026 on the matter.

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:10 pm

Talos was the first dragonborn am I right?
Well if he was does that mean you can in turn be emperor ? Or to go further the tenth Divine?

No, he was not. He was just the most prominent one.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:04 pm

So what will sheogoraths shrine look like

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:44 pm

No, he was not. He was just the most prominent one.

Ok thanks for conformation just wasn't sure

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:37 am

id love if the new sheogorath would tell us that he was a regular guy and that he closes many oblivions gates, right thourgh his shrine.. that would be the best easter egg ever !

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:44 pm

I hope we can go back to this realm and when we do its entirely different... You see your old self but if your a Argonian in Skyrim... the new Sheogroath will be Argonian too.....

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:45 am

I think your char was still a mortal... then died... then closed of sheogoraths realm for good... but I also say juggaglag will be a prince...