I don't recall the civil war being an actual bloody civil war, proof? And besides, the Redoran still had leaders on the mainland. Plus you don't know how the lands suffered from Red Year, which I really doubt much damage occurred there, and you don't even know if the Argonians went that far. I don't think its a stretch to say the Redorans still inhabit their own lands. I don't see why they would need to go to Solstheim.

Once again you take me out of context, never did I say that the Redoran are even close to powerful, but I'm trying to say they are in a better position now than Dres, Indoril and Hlaalu.

It's kinda funny to me how Helseth weakened Redoran and it came back to bite him in the butt when the Argonians invaded and the warrior house of Morrowind was too weak to assist. I think the Argonians would've had a harder time if Redoran had been given more time to recover and had Helseth's support. Kinda what Helseth gets for being a [censored].

I don't mean it made the Argonians individually harder to kill, at least physically. Look at it like the real-life example of enemy combatants getting high on drugs before combat. They can seem to handle alot more damage than the average enemy combatants, at least mentally, because they have no idea how much damage they're taking- they're too screwed up to realize they should be dead. It's kind of similar to that, except merged with the idea of ants. You have an army of Argonians invading, completely under the control of a foreign mind, hell-bent on achieving one purpose. Kill one, another takes it's place.

Add into the fact that we don't know how badly the Telvanni may or may not have fared in the Oblivion Crisis, we don't know how badly they were damaged by the Nerevarine (he very well could have killed them all, remember), their traditional isolation, and the fact that they were under mass confusion due to earthquakes, ash clouds, tidal waves (in the areas low enough), and the fact that the Argonians attacked during said confusion, and it's a very real possibility that the Telvanni didn't survive the invasion force.


We're not talking about 40 years. We're talking about an unnumbered length of time between the end of Oblivion, but which is, at most, 3 years. Vuhon was thrown into Oblivion when the Ingenium was destroyed, and that's when the Red Year happened. It's stated by Sul he vanished into Oblivion 43 years ago. The Red Year was 43 years before the events of The Infernal City.

Now, assuming the Nords let up after the Oblivion Crisis, the fact that Redoran was also getting poached by Helseth, Hlaalu, and Telvanni, had devoted most of their leadership to Ground Zero on Vvardenfell, were reeling from the Oblivion Crisis and the fall of the Temple, and the general chaos of the eruption's immediate aftermath, and it's all too possible they were driven north to Solstheim, where we know a significant Dunmer population survives.

There is utterly no doubt in my mind the Telvanni easily survived an invasion force, once again we're talking about ancient powerful wizards, not your everyday spell-casters, assuming the Argonians even went that far north. I'm pretty confident in my opinion that the Telvanni fares the best currently out of the Great Houses. Plus I think people capable of levitation could handle Oblivion gates pretty well And really, the only significant city in Telvanni territory that probably would've been effected was Firewatch, and we know the Telvanni could give a rats ass about that one.

Point taken about the book.

And you people continually take me out of context, yeah the Redorans are pretty shattered, but here's what you should understand, and the point I'm trying to get across I think was that they 1) Stood up to the Argonian invasion (if it reached there lands which I doubt.) better than the southern houses. (Strong economically/politically, very weak military.) 2) While I do think some Redorans retreated to Solstheim, I'm willing to bet a good bit of them still have a foothold on the mainland. (They are very traditional. and 3) Post Red Year, I'd say of the 5 great houses, they are in the second best shape after the Telvanni.

I'm sure whatever is left of Hlaalu, Dres, Indroil either fled west or remain in their lands, utterly devastated.

I'm not gonna sit here and say that the Dunmer are in good shape, but I'm not gonna be like everyone else and say that the old Dunmer way of life is completely gone and they're gonna start making babies with Nords or something stupid like that. And honestly, all of us can do nothing but make educated guesses. You can't tell me I'm wrong, and I can't tell you you're wrong, because we just don't know. I like to think I brought up several good points, and I acknowledge you and others did the same, but everybody here just casts aside any opposing viewpoints, even with solid logic behind them.

So, all in all, I'm done arguing about this, I'm gonna think what I think is going on in Morrowind, and as long as my predictions are very modest and logically sound (which I think they are), you really can't say I'm wrong, not until the next book/game comes out.