So, I was just wondering what, lore-wise, happens in Morrowind after the events of the game of the same name. I just replayed Morrowind, and part of the Nerevarine prophecy was that the foreigners would be driven out, but that obviously does not happen in the game and you are told your destiny has been completed after you destroy Dagoth Ur.

So do the Dunmer of Morrowind return to Ancestor worship? What does the Nerevarine do with the power of those 3 powerful tools and immunity to disease and aging? I don't remember hearing anything about the Nerevarine or the events of Morrowind during my play-through of Oblivion, which seems really odd.

So here't the questions I want answered: What does the Nerevarine do after killing Dagoth Ur? How does Morrowind change after these events? How is the Empire affected?

In Oblivion, there is a rumor saying that the Nerevarine has left Morrowind to travel to Akavir, and has not been heard from since. What happened then? Did the Nerevarine successfully reach Akavir? What was the purpose of the expedition? What is the Nerevarine doing there now? Or is the rumor false? These things, I believe are for the player to decide on their own.

As to what became of Morrowind, as of Infernal City, the Ministry of Truth apparently fell on Morrowind, which caused Red Mountain to erupt, destroying the province, so basically, what happened up to that point in Morrowind is pretty much meaningless unless it has an impact on provinces outside Morrowind anyway.

In Oblivion you could hear rumors about how the Nerevarine went on an expedition to Akavir and never returned. I never could get into Morrowind so i don't really know much past that.

Nerevarine goes to akavir on expidition

Here is sort of a spoiler from the new novel

retconing anything you don't like is pretty lame. besides, the nerevarine's accomplishments helped to open the oblivion gates, end the era, and start a new imperial regime. that and he saved the world from becoming yucky, [censored], ash slaves. i'd say [s]he matters.

more to the point of the topic, the 3rd PGE does a great job of explaining what happened in morrowind after the nerevarine. see the "http://www.imperial-library.info/pge3/morrowind.shtml" section

actually it was him that caused it. it would have hpapened sooner or later but by releaseing the heart and in doing so vivec's power began to wane and with that the power that held up the moon. it was also the same event that caused the oblivon crisis. The nevravarine is just one big screw up in the long run. ironic azura states "no good deed goes unpunished outlander" in the morrowind game.

*lady nevervar got to it before me

On a side note some important events that have failed to be mentioned is that redoran's power was waneing sinse the collape of the temple. They where fighting with the nords of skyrim. once the oblivion crisis started a great gate was opened at ald'ruhn and it was destroyed along with pretty much the rest of the house. Hlaalu is on the rise and house dres is collapesing because of there reliance on the slave trade that was banned finaly. The telvanni seemed to have gotten along alright and where mentioned to have been closeing the oblivion gates. St. jiub fell to the forces of dagon also.afther the oblivion crisis Frathen Drothan rebeled against king helseth and even went so far as to want to go against the empire afther failing to get support fromt he remaining great houses he seeked out mehrunes razon in cyrodil in order to go against the empire.(mehrunes razor plug in) sometime afther this the red year happend which is when the ministry of truth fell on vivec city causeing red mountain to explode killing a lot of people.afther this the argonians invaded killing many more dunmer. the remaining dunmer fled to soltheim.

speaking of soltheim a few things can be mentione dthat happend there. the nords where dtrying to run the imperial off the island. the cheifthain of thrisk left in search of adventure while a new cheitain married soveng(the girl that you report to in bloodmoon forget how to spell her name.). they set out to slay the udefrekeh matron and end up dyeing near dive rock.

i think that covers everythign that happend i might have missed a few things

To clarify, by Vivec losing the power to refresh his godhood was not the real reason why the MoT fell, it was because, as he put it, this people stopped loving him, so the magic binding the MoT broke and it crashed. One could argue that Vivec was pretty much holding a gun to Morrowind's head, but I'd say that's a superficial explanation. If we are to assume Vivec indeed achieved CHIM, he became everything (blah blah blah), most notably Love. The dunmer began to abandon love, and it became obvious to the scholars the MoT was going to crash soon, and set out to sustain the magics of Vivec's spell (however I'd still argue they didn't remember the part about love). However, with Vulhon's raging envy, the symbol of Love was lost, and the MoT's original mission came into fruition, and cemented the idea of the dunmer abandoning love.

Now, the dunmer must ponder these events and relearn love, for they have lost it. The nords should help them with this sobering lesson with their kindness towards their ancient enemy.

Also, the nerevarine was completely instrumental to all of these events, so what he did was never in vain. But if you want instant gratification, the nerevarine did prevent Nirn and Morrowind from becoming a giant corprus hell hole.

I wonder, and I'll post this in a spoiler.




Thanks.

Well, it's covered in hardened and molten magma, and the water is still boiling 40 years after the event.

Dayum...


They'd make a killing on Divine-Inspired Hotsprings. "Yes, straight from the gods! The most refreshing waters in all Tamriel! Warning, may contain corprus..."

So, that all happened very soon after the events of TES: III, right?

Some time after Oblivion. All of the hell Morrowind had to deal with occurred in 1 year too. Man, the dunmer really got screwed out of that deal.

I always sorta figured the Temple killed him.

"Went to Akavir", right. Like how everybody's pet dog goes away to a farm where it can play all day . . .

In the game "Oblivion", the NPCs mention that Helseth made an alliance with Dres and "Together they pick apart the carcass of ruined Indoril". On Solstheim, the colony of Raven Rock failed for some reason; you meet someone in the game "Oblivion" who left Solstheim if I remember right. The NPCs also say that "Syndicates of Altmer wizards are leading a boycott of Imperial goods." Non-Argonians being driven out of Black Marsh is mentioned if I remember right, which is further confirmed in Keyes' novel.
You can talk to a Dunmer priest of the Imperial Cult who says he used to be a Temple priest in Kragenmoor until "the Collapse", then drifted for a while. Probably the Temple collapsed with the loss of the Tribunal, though I don't believe it would be destroyed completely, since most of the NPCs in "Morrowind" that you talk to won't acknowledge that the Tribunal are dead.

I firmly believe that the events against the Dunmer in the Infernal City are in response to those players who complained that they didn't like the Oblivion Dunmer... Bethesda basically said "fine, then we'll get some lore that wipes them all out".

http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#33, and it's no Oblivion book.

The point is that they didn't have to wipe out the Dunmer (and the falling of the MoT was only a link in the chain of their annihilation), so why did they?
Like I said, I think the reason they decided to do so was kind of a snub at the people on this forum who complained about how they portrayed the Dunmer in Oblivion.

They didn't wipe out the dunmer. Maybe their culture back in MW (which was quite different from the Cyrodiilic culture), but it was extremely stagnant, and a lot of houses were crumbling because of that stagnation. Look towards the future, as they band with the nords to create something more awesome! Watch as they make peace with the worm and his children as they forge themselves a new era after the sobering lesson of Vivec. Do not forget love, for it prevents your doom!

Plus, we all knew it the MoT was going to collide. The only thing uncertain was if it was going to either destroy all of Morrowind or the world. I find it to not be a snub to forumers who complained, and a logical flow of events. No other area has a comet suspended in time or something with the destructive power of that (well, potential civil wars not included). The time of the old dunmer was over. The new must rise from the ashes.

Allow me to rephrase:
They wiped out the cool part of the Dunmer essentially making the boring Oblivion Dunmer the only Dunmer.

There's a whole lot of dunmer on Solstheim, they're part of the cool dunmer

Plus, I doubt ALL of the Dunmer on Vvardenfell died. Most of them, yes, but not ALL of them. There are real-life examples of people in Japan surviving the atom bomb; there are even some who survived BOTH atomic bombs! So I find it plausible that there were some survivors out of Vvardenfell.

Not to mention that the "cool" Dunmer were also in Southern Morrowind, which was unaffected by the MoT falling on Vvardenfell. Yes, a lot of them got killed by the Argonians, sure, but that's war, and in war there are survivors.

unaffected? and everyone on Vvardenfell died unless they had a means of teleportation. You must realize that it isn't like Vvardenfell was Nuked, it could be more accurate to say Vvardenfell was the Nuke. Northern Morrowind and southern Morrowind (basically only what is straight below Vvardenfell due to powerful southern prevailing winds) was completely destroyed by Lava, poisons gases, rock, tsunamis, and basically Mehrunes Dagon in general (his sphere ISN'T destruction, it is Destruction THROUGH nature.) Then the Argonians attacked to massacre the already VERY weak Dunmer.

I don't think the culture is completely destroyed. I'm sure the Dunmer will retain some even after settling on Solstheim. I personally hope they don't mix with the Nords, the Nords are stoopid.

Anyway I can see the Dunmer living on Solstheim temporarily but eventually reclaiming Morrowind proper by driving the lizards back out. Plus I'm sure Fyr is still alive, so the Dunmer are still cool.

nords are stupid? ntelligence as an atribute iN-gAME is just a game mechanic, and in lore Nords have shown to have a mastery of the same Metaphysics the Elves do, exept the Nords get their mastery within a short human lifetime.

I'll go through this point-by-point, because I find it easier that way.



Not exactly. The sequence of events goes like this:

1. MoT falls from sky, destroys Vivec and probably a large part of the surrounding area.
My comment: This is the "nuke." Very few people probably survived this. As I brought up in my last post, people in real life have survived a nuclear explosion, some even survived BOTH nukes in Japan during WWII, so I don't think it's implausible to assume that some would have survived the falling of the MoT. Yes, i'm aware that this is a universe in which magic exists and it's not EXACTLY like real life, but I think some real life parallels can be used, even in a game world.

2. The MoT crashing into the earth sets off the volcano at Red Mountain.
My comment: Volcanic eruptions are very different from nuclear explosions. The destruction is a lot slower; lava takes time to travel to downhill and into the surrouding countryside, and Vvardenfell is a BIG island. Add to that that the representation we see in the games we play is scaled down, and the lava would probably take days to completely cover the island. Those immediately around the volcano would probaby die very quickly, but that area was already a wasteland to begin with, so I don't see a huge loss of life initially after the eruption. I'll get more into this in the next paragraph.

Basically, to say that Vvardenfell itself was the nuke is, in my opinion, inaccurate. The MoT was the nuke, and the eruption was a by-product of the nuke being launched.



I actually had to look this up in the book to make sure what I was about to say next was correct. To quote the book:





Now, based on these quotes we can pretty fairly assume two things:

1. Vvardenfell was destroyed by the combination of the MoT's crash and the volcanic eruption that followed.

2. Southern Morrowind was not affected by these things, but was invaded Argonians soon after these events (though I don't think it would have been IMMEDIATELY afterward).

Even if we go with your assumption that part of Southern Vvardenfell was affected by the MoT and Eruption due to "powerful southern prevailing winds," (an assumption I find doubtful as Vvardenfell and the mainland are separated by quite a bit of water), the book mentions nothing about "powerful southern prevailing winds." Now, i'll grant you that while the wind might not have been literally poisonous, it still wouldn't be very friendly to breathe and probably would have caused some deaths among the populace. But again, just like how lava travels in it's own way, so does wind, and we don't know which way it was blowing at the time. It might have blown north, south, east, west, or maybe even not at all. The direction it traveled would have directly affected the damage it did.

I think it is safe to say, though, that the wind wasn't traveling in all directions at once. So, I think it is also fair to say that not ALL of the Dunmer on Vvardenfell would have fallen victim to these "poisonous" winds. Some would have died, yes, but others would have survived long enough to escape either via teleportation (which I assume you mean primarily Mark and Recall) or by other means (boats, silt strider, Mages Guild Guide, etc.) and get the word out to others that "the wind and/or lava is traveling in 'X' direction!" thus causing others to escape, as well. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that a lot of Dunmer would have escaped the winds and lava due to either them not being in it's immediate path/direction or by them hearing word of it quick enough.

The book also mentioned tidal waves. This would have taken many lives, for sure, but I think it's fair to say that they only affected the coastal towns and maybe a little further inland (say, as far inland as Balmora, since that is relatively close to Hla Oad). I find it highly unlikely that a huge massive tide wave (or waves) completely covered the entire island.



Southern Morrowind has a large population of Dunmer; probably much larger than Vvardenfell, though admittedly I don't have a source to back that up. However, to call the Dunmer "weak" I think gives them too little credit; broken and battered they may have been, but I like to think they still had SOME fight left in them.

So, when the Argonians came to exact their revenge, I imagine that the Dunmer fought back with all they had; enough to let some people escape. I agree that it was probably a massacre (Sul alludes to as much in the quote I posted), but I don't think they would have killed ALL of the Dunmer; some, if not many, probably escaped. Unlike a natural disaster (in which there can be little-to-no warning beforehand), a war is neither instantaneous nor all-consuming. People survive wars, both during and after it. Otherwise, we wouldn't have any living WWII vets, or vets of any other war, for that matter. Plus, the Argonians would have come through Black Marsh, so those Dunmer who lived farther north of there would have had time to escape before the Argonian invasion arrived.

So, while a large number of Dunmer probably died by Argonian hands, I doubt ALL of them did. And unless the Argonians are completely heartless, i'm sure that they would have spared many women and children (though again, I have no source to back this up). And even if they didn't, I think my point still stands that there were likely more than a few survivors.


There, that is my objective anolysis on the issue. I'd like to say that I didn't intend any of this to come off as angry or self-righteous; I am just trying to present my case in a logical, objective manner by giving my thoughts and providing supporting facts to my argument. I hope you are not offended.