A big heavy Dunmer weilding a heavy warhammer goes up against a scrawny tevanni nord who specializes in conjusration.

Ah, how I'd love to have play with cross-breeds... not that I'm into that sort of thing. Ahem.

*runs off and creates a playable Yokudan-Altmer crossbreed with fortified magicka and adrenaline ability in Morrowind*



Not what I meant, I'd just rather see these sort of major events take place ingame rather than in a book, if they take place at all. I understand that the author obviously has guidelines set as to what he can write (ie, don't discover nuclear fission), but we are taking a series who's fanbase lies amongst gamers and handing over some of the biggest historical changes since the first instalment to readers. Though, wouldn't it be interesting if TESV still took place in pre-Umbriel times and followed these changes? Unlikely, but.



I don't see why not (especially seeing as most of these sort of "fantasy universes" such as Elder Scrolls, Discworld and whatever it is Bioware called their universe, are often envisaged to reflect our own universes with big and small differences, you can easily liken the collapse of the Imperial empire to that of the Roman empire, or any other empire of our ages... you could probably liken every fourth era political shift in Tamriel to similar changes in our world, if you had the patience). After all, Argonia still contains traditional Dunmer territory even after the Argonians were defeated in the Arnesian war (one of Dagoth Ur's objectives was to "recover ancient territories stolen by Skyrim and Argonia"), so I don't see any reason that they wouldn't like to take a bit more of Morrowind, if not all of it. I would have to agree that the MoT crash would drastically alter Morrowind's climate, probably making it much more comfortable for Argonian life.

Maybe not to the point of making Mournhold their new capital, but I do think permanent Argonian occupation and expansion in Morrowind is quite likely, if only to build up a resource-gathering and trade empire. Keep in mind Black Marsh has already been proven unsuitable for most typical, useful and valuable crops grown elsewhere in Tamriel, and without the Imperial Empire to mine out all that ebony, diamond and kwama eggs (ah, so delicious), somebody's bound to take control. Perhaps they'll just establish some plantations and basically use Morrowind as a cash-crop?

EDIT: Also, gotta love how something that is, ingame, not much bigger than a decent-sized house and suspended only a few dozen feet above the ground manages to decimate Vvardenfel.

One can't help but wonder why, having already done most of the work by entirely hollowing out the MoT, nobody took the initiative when they realised it was going to fall to destroy the bloody thing

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Perhaps Vivec wouldn't allow it? IIRC, he wanted it to fall in-case the Dunmer ever lost their faith in him and the Tribunal. It was only being held up by his power of course.

I'd say it was held by the power of love for Vivec, which could then be said the love of everyone (if you use his CHIM logic as he = everything and him). Should the dunmer ever reject or forget love, then I'd come crashing down. As I toyed with the idea earlier:

They had a machine to keep it up, and would have worked out fine in the end, but Vuhon rejected love with envy, and Sul and him fought. From that fight, it came crashing down, and MW was ended.

Now the dunmer will have to rediscover love if they wish to rise again. And with their ancient enemy, the nords, helping them out on Solstheim apparently, I'd surmise that will be the first step to that rediscovery.

With Morrowind being the wasteland that it's become, I think the Argonians will be content with wreaking their vengeance, and then falling back into the inner swamps to guage the reaction. Perhaps if they see that the Dunmer or the Empire aren't making any moves to reclaim it, they'll move in once things "cool down", so to speak.

As for the future of Dunmer/Nord relations, I think it's just as likely, if not more so, that things will get ugly between the two. Peace between the two races would be great, but the Dunmer are too bitter and the Nords are too warlike for them to just "settle their differences". I anticipate much blood will be spilled in So(u)lstheim.

you know nuked the fridge means jumping the shark,right?

If what MK said is a hint to things to be,

then we can expect a peaceful co-existence. What it will come down to is if the dunmer can put away their pride and become more humble as refugees, and the nords look upon their struggle with respect. Ideological-wise, they're actually similar if they follow Vivec's idea of Shor.

I can just picture todd howard saying.
"hey,cam to che...WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO!

Of course, it remains to be seen if MK's writings (in this instance) will, indeed, translate to canon. It could go either way, really.

Personally, I believe the Dunmer forged a nation on suspicion, xenophobia, and an out-right hatred of all things foreign. The day they decide to make peace with the Nords is the day they cease to be Dunmer. Of course, that's not necessarily a bad thing...

I'm sure Keyes didn't mess up anything. He learned his Lore-Ropes through and through, and checked everytime he forgot something. The biggest mistake he made must have been the U in Solsthiem, and it's not that big of a deal. Everything else on the entire universe has AT LEAST two names. I'm fairly sure some Dev wrote out a page and a half summary of what needed to to Happen, and Keyes just wrote 28something pages around it.

TES lore being relative up to eleven, we could hopefully assume "peaceful" here to also be a relative term? Like, only some of them indulge in hate-crime murders?

Sure, why not. It's not like we'll know anything definitive till the second book or TES:V. Yeah, my answer svcked, but w/e.

Because as horrible as real racism is, in fantasy settings it makes for much deeper, more human-level storytelling!

On the subject of racism, a movie by the name of District 9 draws some interesting parallels between Apartheid and real human reactions, for the first fifteen minutes at least.

But racism will always be real, as much as we like to be idealists and think otherwise, there really *is* differences between races, real life or not. Doesn't make one people better or worse than the other, but there are differences. Might be hard to see this from a global point of view, but coming from Australia where racism isn't such an issue but racial separation and inequality is, it's just reality. In the view of Nirn, you can probably simplify it down to Mer vs Man vs Beast, 'coz each race would likely view the others as inferior, or even animals. I mean, when god-complexes are basically Altmer traits from birth, they're always going to see something like an Argonian as below them.

I just hope TESV comes out but if it does who will be the new Empire

Currently, it looks like it'll be a decedent of Attredus Mede

With all due respect Lycan, I think you're missing the point. There were scattered hate crimes before, this isn't just peace, but generosity (largesse) and forgiveness. Racial tensions restrict a story and seldom contribute to my enjoyment. We've already watched the Orcs become accepted.

Well...to be accepted a second time, they had to have a giant stompy robot.

while simultaneously sharing it with three other countries, A lich, A ghost, an adventurer, and the Emperor.

and the Dunmer had to be humbled.

On Solstheim, this is true, the Skaal may, because of their rigid traditions, may actually be culturally incapable of harming the refugee Dunmer. Therefore forgiveness may take place over time. That still leaves Argonians and Khajiit pissed off, as well as your more familliar Nords from Skyrim. Just saying, if it was all dasies and roses it'd be boring to watch. Not to mention unrealistic or worse, unbelievable.

I think part of the reason the traditionalist Nords hated the Dunmer (especially House Redoran) was that they were living in the landmass the Nords considered their own. That landmass is now mostly inhabitable and not under the control of the Dunmer, and House Redoran is extinct or badly wounded. This removes two big reasons the Nords would discriminate. Also, most of the hardline Nords live in Skyrim, not Solsthiem (so glad Soulsthiem was a typo).

The Skaal would probably be pretty accepting, and the Thirsk may have been wiped out. The Udyrfrykte Matron destroyed their Mead Hall and slew their leader, much like Grendel's Mother, as retribution for what happened to her son.

Hmm, that's a good point, but old habits do die hard.

I'm trying to recall any hospitality laws I may have buried in my brain from Bloodmoon. Would they even be allowed to kill the Dunmer, considering their circumstances? Certainly there would be no honor in it at all, them being downtrodden, culturally homeless, and just been curb-stomped by the Argonians. Also, considering their refugee status, they would have little by way of booty. I think they may be safe on Solstheim.

To be honest I think even most of the hardliners would pity them rather than wage war on them.

There's no thrill in picking on a defenseless opponent.

Marching on heavily fortified and manned Redoran war cities is what some Nords live for, but that's obviously a thing of the past.