After the Oblivion Crisis

Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:50 pm

I was reading around the UESP out of boredom and I came across the article about http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Red_Mountain. Apparently, after the Oblivion Crisis the Ministry of Truth crashes into Vvardenfell, causing Red Mountain to erupt and destroy most of either Vvardenfell or Morrowind proper.

.....What the hell? And what other insane things happened to Tamriel after Oblivion?
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:07 pm

I was reading around the UESP out of boredom and I came across the article about http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Red_Mountain. Apparently, after the Oblivion Crisis the Ministry of Truth crashes into Vvardenfell, causing Red Mountain to erupt and destroy most of either Vvardenfell or Morrowind proper.

.....What the hell? And what other insane things happened to Tamriel after Oblivion?


There is a thread about the novel:
http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1058959

A lot of the new stuff is discussed there.

Off the top of my head,
Argonia invades Morrowind
A lot of the Dunmer leave Morrowind, lots go to Soulstheim
The Mage's Guild is replaced by a Whisper College (can't remember exact name)
And a lot of other stuff I can't think of right now :)
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:50 pm

The Mage's Guild is replaced by a Whisper College (can't remember exact name)

The College of Whispers :P
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Post » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:31 am

I was reading around the UESP out of boredom and I came across the article about http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Red_Mountain. Apparently, after the Oblivion Crisis the Ministry of Truth crashes into Vvardenfell, causing Red Mountain to erupt and destroy most of either Vvardenfell or Morrowind proper.

.....What the hell? And what other insane things happened to Tamriel after Oblivion?




http://www.amazon.com/Elder-Scrolls-Infernal-City/dp/0345508017/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259992067&sr=1-1
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:31 am

Its great how you missed the novel controversy, and now folks are directing you into the thick of it. Its a book roughly equal in consequence as 2920, as in ceratin situations and dialogue may be [fabrications]. Keyes is the new Townway. Well, maybe you could equate the novel's embelishments with those of the Redguard comic.

A lot of the Dunmer leave Morrowind, lots go to Soulstheim

Oh yeah, Solstheim is now Soulstheim :run: :jammasterjay: :dmc:
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:47 pm

Gimme a break, really? They actually changed the name to "Soulstheim"? good grief :rolleyes:
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Post » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:28 am

A quick summary of the post-Oblivion lore tidbits in the novel (40 years after Oblivion):

-Morrowind's nuked via moonlet/volcano combo, many Dunmer move to Solsthiem
-Black Marsh declares independence from the Empire, the Argonians invade Morrowind in retribution for the centuries of slavery
-Elsewyr declares independence, the Mane is also assassinated at some point, and the various Elsewyr cities are now ruled by potentates
-Summerset and Valenwood declare independence, and Summerset then conquers Valenwood, rebuilding the Aldmeri Dominion.
-After falling apart post-Oblivion, Cyrodiil is reunited under Emperor Titus Mede
-Many of the old Imperial guilds have evidently fallen apart. The Mage's Guild is specifically mentioned to have been replace in Cyrodiil by the College of Whispers, and the Synod
-The Blades appear to be missing from the new Empire, both in the form of spy network and royal guard. The slack in the spy department has been taken up by the Penitus Oculous (or something like that).
-It's unknown whether or not Skyrim, High Rock, and Hammerfell (and Solsthiem) are still part of the Empire, but all of Cyrodill does appear to be united under it
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:19 pm

-Summerset and Valenwood declare independence, and Summerset then conquers Valenwood, rebuilding the Aldmeri Dominion.
Which is headed by an organization or something like that named the Thalmor.

-The Blades appear to be missing from the new Empire, both in the form of spy network and royal guard. The slack in the spy department has been taken up by the Penitus Oculous (or something like that).
As they are waiting for the inheritor of Tiber Septim. Titus Mede is clearly not. They are merely a monastic order dedicated to Talos right now... that studies combat.
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:43 am

As much as I hate the fact that some random author gets to pick up a pen and pretty much change the entire course of history in Tamriel, it will make things interesting. Also keep in mind there's yet to be another official novel, possibly returning things a bit closer to normal. But, for the most part, it's definitely going to make TESV interesting, less of this Imperial rule everywhere you go, and a bit of variety methinks. Realism, even. That said, I'm yet to read the book myself, and I do wish they'd left those sorts of changes in one of the games so that everybody knows what's going on, and it's a little more exciting... but I do think it'll make things interesting - whether better or worse, it'll be interesting.

Here's your timeline for post-Septim times: check the late http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Third_Era and what has already happened in the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fourth_Era.
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:02 pm

As they are waiting for the inheritor of Tiber Septim. Titus Mede is clearly not. They are merely a monastic order dedicated to Talos right now... that studies combat.


Sorry for double post, but I'm curious now... presumably if Titus and Attrebus Mede aren't the inheritors of Tiber Septim, nobody can be? Bethesda has pretty much nuked the fridge when it comes to getting another Septim, so will the Blades just become another cult/guild, will they dedicate themselves to the wellbeing/return of the Empire, or will they eventually pledge allegiance to the Mede line? I've never wanted TESV more than I do now...

:banghead: ARGH MUST WAIT NUUU
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:01 pm

Apparently, after the Oblivion Crisis the Ministry of Truth crashes into Vvardenfell, causing Red Mountain to erupt and destroy most of either Vvardenfell or Morrowind proper.


I can't imagine the Nerevarine was too pleased with that little development, heh.
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:25 pm

Yep! It's nice to know that all of our efforts were futile, lol! Maybe the Nerevarine took some Ashlander buddies with him and conquered some Akaviri kingdoms for themselves.
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:37 pm

Which is headed by an organization or something like that named the Thalmor.


"They say that syndicates of wizards have led a boycott of Imperial goods." - way back in Oblivion NPC dialogue. Apparently the Thalmor has been a long time coming.

As they are waiting for the inheritor of Tiber Septim. Titus Mede is clearly not. They are merely a monastic order dedicated to Talos right now... that studies combat.



Apparently Cloud Ruler temple still stands, as Attrebus has memories of hunting near there with his father as a boy. So at least Emperor Mede in his zeal against imagined rebels hasn't had their order destroyed.

Yep! It's nice to know that all of our efforts were futile, lol! Maybe the Nerevarine took some Ashlander buddies with him and conquered some Akaviri kingdoms for themselves.



Futile, you say? We did exactly what Azura wanted us to all along. "Good Daedra" indeed.
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:20 pm

"They say that syndicates of wizards have led a boycott of Imperial goods." - way back in Oblivion NPC dialogue. Apparently the Thalmor has been a long time coming.

Which makes sense, considering Altmer think long-term.

Apparently Cloud Ruler temple still stands, as Attrebus has memories of hunting near there with his father as a boy. So at least Emperor Mede in his zeal against imagined rebels hasn't had their order destroyed.

They're likely to remain hermets until a Dragonborn arises.

Futile, you say? We did exactly what Azura wanted us to all along. "Good Daedra" indeed.

Don't judge her method so quickly.
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:17 pm

Don't judge her method so quickly.


Who's judging? It's likely the full reasons for this event won't manifest themselves for years to come. I never said she was evil, just not good. I don't believe any of the gods are either to be honest.

Even Dagon and Molag Bal probably have very eloquent explanations for their methods and ambitions.
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Post » Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:34 am

I meant the Nerevarine shouldn't be downplayed, because he and Vivec weren't there to stop Morrowind's destruction. She may have considered this outcome and taken Vivec and the Nerevarine away.
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:34 pm

I recommend the novel, even though it's a little short at 288 pages for a trade paperback. Although we hear that Cloud Ruler Temple still stands, we're not told anything about the Blades yet. For all we know, the temple could be empty; though it does sound plausible that the Blades are more like warrior monks now. I hope Keyes tells us more in the second novel.
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Post » Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:01 am

A quick summary of the post-Oblivion lore tidbits in the novel (40 years after Oblivion):

-Morrowind's nuked via moonlet/volcano combo, many Dunmer move to Solsthiem
-Black Marsh declares independence from the Empire, the Argonians invade Morrowind in retribution for the centuries of slavery
-Elsewyr declares independence, the Mane is also assassinated at some point, and the various Elsewyr cities are now ruled by potentates
-Summerset and Valenwood declare independence, and Summerset then conquers Valenwood, rebuilding the Aldmeri Dominion.
-After falling apart post-Oblivion, Cyrodiil is reunited under Emperor Titus Mede
-Many of the old Imperial guilds have evidently fallen apart. The Mage's Guild is specifically mentioned to have been replace in Cyrodiil by the College of Whispers, and the Synod
-The Blades appear to be missing from the new Empire, both in the form of spy network and royal guard. The slack in the spy department has been taken up by the Penitus Oculous (or something like that).
-It's unknown whether or not Skyrim, High Rock, and Hammerfell (and Solsthiem) are still part of the Empire, but all of Cyrodill does appear to be united under it

Ah, thank you! These are the Cliffnotes I was hoping for. :D
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:17 pm

Sorry, thought of another addendum to your summary:
-It's unknown whether or not Skyrim, High Rock, and Hammerfell (and Solsthiem) are still part of the Empire, but all of Cyrodill does appear to be united under it
Albeit, grudgingly like Leyawiin. And what's up with Skingrad? Guerrillas or resistance fighters, or some such.
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:27 pm

Sorry, thought of another addendum to your summary: Albeit, grudgingly like Leyawiin. And what's up with Skingrad? Guerrillas or resistance fighters, or some such.


Apparently locals who don't want to be part of the Empire. "The arrows he recognized as belonging to an insurgent faction from County Skingrad that called themselves the 'Natives'. A number of the bodies had been beheaded, a practice also in keeping with that same nasty bunch of thugs." (p. 138)

I wonder if Janus Hassildor is still in power there.
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:16 pm

Holy crap, I knew there was a book but I didn't realize the entire world went to hell in it. Depressing, but yeah TES V is going to be better for it. I almost feel like with as much as has happened to the continent, it will go the Arena route and take place in the whole of Tamriel, not just Skyrim as many claim will. Unless Bethesda has come out and said "Skyrim."'
Also,
Yep! It's nice to know that all of our efforts were futile, lol! Maybe the Nerevarine took some Ashlander buddies with him and conquered some Akaviri kingdoms for themselves.


How did the Nerevarine's Akavir expedition turn out?
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Post » Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:06 am

Apparently locals who don't want to be part of the Empire. "The arrows he recognized as belonging to an insurgent faction from County Skingrad that called themselves the 'Natives'. A number of the bodies had been beheaded, a practice also in keeping with that same nasty bunch of thugs." (p. 138)

I wonder if Janus Hassildor is still in power there.

Mmm, nice to see some bad blood between Colovians and the Nibenese, Cyrodiil's politics in TESIV came across as entirely too polite. :P
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:03 pm

Hmm, do you think we'll ever hear any more rumors of the Nerevarine? (besides the ones in Oblivion)
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:26 pm

Said smething that I later figured out to be competly false.
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Post » Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:45 pm

I guess everyone was right, the Altmer of Summerset really do want to make an empire and squash anything mannish (even their 'tainted' Bosmer kin). :mellow: I totally didn't get that vibe from the Altmer in TESIII and TESIV.
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