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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:05 pm

The only known sources of Dreamsleeve (as soul-recycling system) knowlidge are Mysterium Xarexes heresy and obscure words of Nu-Mantia, isn't it?

No, there's also tidbits concerning it in the 36 Sermons.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:05 am

No, they remember all of it and they're completely aware, while mortals end up forgetting everything.
Ok. Only difference between mortals and immortal dardra, is that mortals can't use experience from their past live?

No, there's also tidbits concerning it in the 36 Sermons.
In part of "gain divinity for mortals", it is Psijic Endeavor and so on. But was there anything about soul rehashing?
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:17 am

Ok. Only difference between mortals and immortal dardra, is that mortals can't use experience from their past live?

Read what I quoted, it's a lot better than my half-assed explanation
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:26 pm

Read what I quoted, it's a lot better than my half-assed explanation
That is what I say.

Eventually we do return. But not all return as they were. There is sickness. Madness. Change.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:15 am

Ok. Only difference between mortals and immortal dardra, is that mortals can't use experience from their past live?

If you want to break it completely down, yes, that daedra retain memory is the difference - though its arguable that the mortal souls that enter the dream sleeve aren't the same ones that leave in that it'd be similar to throwing a drop of water back into a pond and then taking one out from the other side.
In part of "gain divinity for mortals", it is Psijic Endeavor and so on. But was there anything about soul rehashing?

Try http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#13
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:28 pm

Sorry for a bit of necroloremanccy here, :).

If you want to break it completely down, yes, that daedra retain memory is the difference - though its arguable that the mortal souls that enter the dream sleeve aren't the same ones that leave in that it'd be similar to throwing a drop of water back into a pond and then taking one out from the other side.
A-ah, thanks.

Try http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#13
Hm-m, yes, "worth of mortals at the expense of their spirits"... That's close. Still it is not seems to be univocal proof of that concept, as case of Nerevarine may be (and must be, IMHO) rather unique.

What about Sharmat, who "sleeps at the center"? Did he communicate with dreamers through Dreemsleeve as well?

Does mortal, who visit Vaernima's realm in nightmares, also goes there through Dreemsleeve?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:29 pm

Hm-m, yes, "worth of mortals at the expense of their spirits"... That's close. Still it is not seems to be univocal proof of that concept, as case of Nerevarine may be (and must be, IMHO) rather unique.

Well, I was sorta referring more to the bit about the "receptacle." And in the context of the dreamsleeve process the Nerevarine is a unique case, as his soul would have had to have been kept clear of the recycling process in order to enter back with the full essence of Nerevar.
What about Sharmat, who "sleeps at the center"? Did he communicate with dreamers through Dreemsleeve as well?

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=855475&hl=
Does mortal, who visit Vaernima's realm in nightmares, also goes there through Dreemsleeve?

I'll admit that I haven't thought about this in quite some time, which means I'm just making a guess. It can probably argued both ways. On the one hand, I can't think of anything offhand that specifically says its not the dreamsleeve, however I'd be more inclined to say that Vaermina's connection is more of a direct metaphysical to Nirn in the form of dreams. When there's lots of destruction, Dagon can present himself, that's his connection to Nirn and its also a natural part of Nirn. Dreams are Vaermina's connection - I'd like to know whether the line about slipping into Vaernima's realm could be interpreted as Vaermina's realm slipping into Nirn/your mind, does it really make a difference?

Probably not especially helpful, I'm not in a good speculating mindset at the moment.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:02 pm

Well, I was sorta referring more to the bit about the "receptacle." And in the context of the dreamsleeve process the Nerevarine is a unique case, as his soul would have had to have been kept clear of the recycling process in order to enter back with the full essence of Nerevar.


From the loveletter there is the aligned AE which suggest that this only holds if you still align yourself with Mundus, worship (or sign over your soul to) the Daedra and you go to them. As in the Trial of Vivec, he rides a Khajiiti worshippers soul to Moonshadow. I reckon it would work the same for Lord Nerevar.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:50 am

When there's lots of destruction, Dagon can present himself, that's his connection to Nirn and its also a natural part of Nirn. Dreams are Vaermina's connection.

But how is this connection possible, as only aedra sacrificed parts of themselves to create nirn?
I'd say only aedric things are natural in nirn.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:36 am

But how is this connection possible, as only aedra sacrificed parts of themselves to create nirn?
I'd say only aedric things are natural in nirn.


The et'Ada embody concepts. Mehrunes Dagon is not just the Daedric Prince of Destruction, Mehrunes Dagon is Destruction, Natural Disasters and Revolution. So any time a great slaughter, demonic invasion, or a bloody revolution happen on Nirn, Mehrunes Dagon happens, in Nirn.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:26 pm

And in the context of the dreamsleeve process the Nerevarine is a unique case, as his soul would have had to have been kept clear of the recycling process in order to enter back with the full essence of Nerevar.
Yes, may be, but I want to say that Sermon 13 is related rather to this unique case of Nerevarine :).

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=855475&hl=
Thanks, looks interesting...

When there's lots of destruction, Dagon can present himself, that's his connection to Nirn and its also a natural part of Nirn. Dreams are Vaermina's connection - I'd like to know whether the line about slipping into Vaernima's realm could be interpreted as Vaermina's realm slipping into Nirn/your mind, does it really make a difference?
There is some difference, as I think - Dogon presents physically, in flesh and blood, so his brains can be smashed with Volendrung, but mortals appiars in Vaernima's realm just mentally.

As in the Trial of Vivec, he rides a Khajiiti worshippers soul to Moonshadow.
Than Moonshadow can be regarded as plan of afterlife for Azura-worshipers?
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