To Anuiel? As a friend. He deceived and payed the price. Reason why Mundus exists at all as it is. But what relevance does it have? One could ask is Lorkhan from those days even the same Lorkhan today anymore because Sheogorath was created from Lorkhan and might contain most Sithis essence from Lorkhan.

On more modern days? Thru Ysmir/Talos/Underking/Pelinal/Hans the Fox etc. Which isn't anything new either and which doesn't clarify why do you ask me such question...

EDIT: Forgot one thing: Are you referring to Rebel-King relation? Lorkhan seems to be Rebel but it seems to swift by actions and not by birth... So Lorkhan could be king from time to time. Granted that i haven't been very interested to get familiar with this Rebel-King matter.

So what relevance does this have with Akatosh protecting Mundus and Alduin eating it?

Another view is conceivable = that there is no such thing as retconning

If that is true then the ES cosmos might be a patchwork of both places and times that all exist in their own right - each as real and inviolable as the next - read Akatosh's

The next question if that is so comes from the earlier posit in this thread and now asks whether the Gods change the mortals or the mortals change the Gods - answer to that may be that it works both ways ... in the same places at different times in different ways or in different places at ... etc

Then: "Fiction?" "Hell no - truth!"

Akatosh protected Mundus, because was God of Mundus. Shezarr didn't evaporate, he won kingdom over the world, in the person of Akatosh.


Lorkhan presented himself to the mortal gods as their king, in the Dawn Era. The conflict of Mundus is between two kings: one of Mundus, the other of Heaven, or the previous Mundus. Lorkhan is the new Auri-El.

That would be very logical. It never occurred to me that it could be seen as this. I've given thought about Lorkhan being Auriel/Alduin/Akatosh, but not once did i think that Akatosh might be Lorkhan while Auriel and Alduin would be what they are.

Many pieces fits the puzzle. Pieces which earlier didn't. I applaud.

when the time comes, akatosh/alduin will fall before me where he stands, ill do it for the mythic dawn and mehrunes dagon! :mohawk:

It's a really good idea to ignore King Edward, guys. It's the oldest of the old lore and very outdated.

That's a can of worms I haven't opened in a long while. But after the Rebel overthrows his King, is he really still a Rebel or a King himself?

The King is dead. Long live the King!

I like to believe, and my impression from reading the lore is, that Akatosh in Oblivion was not Akatosh, but an avatar of Akatosh formed by the will and beliefs of Martin Septim, as well as the other dragonborn souls contained within the Amulet of Kings. When he broke it, it was a combination of their essence, whatever aspect of Akatosh existed within the amulet, and the idea of Akatosh that manifested as the avatar which defeated Mehrunes Dagon. The "actual" Akatosh - for lack of a better term - to me is far more than a god. It is the avatar of the totality of time and change, encompassing both creation and destruction. The various Daedra may be individual avatars of the various facets thereof, but to me, Akatosh/Alduin is the avatar of the totality of change, in all aspects, both "positive" and "negative" as we perceive them.

As such, I do not believe that Akatosh proper, if you will, has ever truly been seen in a Elder Scrolls game. And I suspect he/she/it will be seen in Skyrim, and will be terrifying to behold. For we will bear witness to that which might consume the world if we fail. I strongly suspect that a lot of Imperial propaganda regarding the Nine Divines, Lorkhan's deeds and affects thoroughout history, the Dragon Break, and what exactly the nature of the "defeat" of the dragons in ancient times that allowed the Empire to flourish really constituted, will come to light and be revealed as truths contrary to what the Empire has led its people to believe for so long. And "defeating" Akatosh again this time - assuming we do and the world doesn't get destroyed literally - may have dire consequences.

The empire already is in tatters. Morrowind has been devastated. Black Marsh is on the move. Skyrim is gripped by Civil War. Forces are at work trying to reestablish the Aldmeri Dominion. Need I go on? It may be possible that only another Dragon Break (this time in the more literal, confrontational sense,) can save Tamriel as we knew it. And that may be what we get if we "defeat" Akatosh again... hmy:

What if akatosh has a split personality just like sheogorath.I think of it like this.In the greek and roman gods, they are the same gods from a different point of veiw with different names.The roman gods are more war-like and dicipline based.(skrims beleifs) and the greek gods are more mortal freindly.(Allesian beleives)

Need it be wholly ignored, Haromir? It is old and outdated, and is also a work of in universe historical fiction, so why couldn't we say that, perhaps, while the Anduin-aspect of Akatosh hates Mundus and mortals and for the most part so does the Akatosh-aspect, there can be individual mortals he does take a shining to?

You're closer to it than you think, fangor. Lorkhan, Akatosh and Alduin are different aspects of the same god, and the closest real-world anolog is either the hindu dieties of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva or even multiple personalities, if we hammer it into human shapes. The aspects are influenced by their believers, so Akatosh is more friendly and Alduin is a world-eating god-monster akin to Typhon.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Ninth Divine is Tiber Septim.

Tiber Septim(Talos) is a Shezzarine, a manifestation of Lorkhan and essentially taking the place of the missing god in the Cyrodiilic pantheon.

And yet he's a Dragon too. There was definitely a Shezarrine in there, but Tiber Septim is multiple people.

Mehrunes Dagon isn't dead, he is a Daedra Prince, he can't be killed. Also, I've put forth my theory of Alduin not being Akatosh at all and Alduin was just loosely associated with Akatosh. Especially now that all the theories of how Alduin was akatosh and made Mehrunes Dagon into what he is that needs to destroy everything have been proven wrong since all the documents on the Imperial Library that was used as sources that weren't in the game has been proven to be fake by http://twitter.com/#!/DCDeacon/status/29538547711090688.



Well there is no real proof that Tiber Septim is a manifestation of Lorkhan especially since Lorkhan is dead and mutilated. It was more implied that Tiber Septim was a powerful person and he ascended to godhood because of the power of the Numidium and his using it.

I would also like to point out the numerous times he has contradicted himself or said things that were less than clear since the announcement of Skyrim. I don't blame him for it: between the confusing format of twitter and his being a busy man. Between the numerous questions he is being asked and the way they are being asked, its hard to keep things strait.

Fake is not only the wrong word but also offensive to the writers. They might be not be canonical, or be outdated, or even be invalid, but they aren't fake.

Even so, here we are, having soneone act as though Pete went ahead and actively said the obscure texts were not canon when he did no such thing.

Done....

I did, and the times on it lined up this way. Second question answered "it depends." Once again, if you hate fantasy so much just do us all a favor and leave.

@DCDeacon last question I swear What year did the games dawnstar and stormhold take place on tamriel? thank you if you can answer any
3:02 AM Jan 23rd via web
@DCDeacon Could you tell us what is the hlaalu cypher for their encoded notes in morrowind it remains unbroken to this day.
3:00 AM Jan 23rd via web
@DCDeacon I was wondering does bethesda consider the obscure texts and developer comments on the imperial library as actual lore?
2:57 AM Jan 23rd via web
@DCDeacon I was wondering if you could tell us about the story that was supposed to be The elder scrolls adventures II: eye of argonia?
2:56 AM Jan 23rd via web

Mathematically, 57 is after 56. It's kind of important.

Please settle your differences of opinion in a kind, civil and parliamentary way. Flaming someone, calling them names and attaching them just doesn't wash here. Some posts went away.

While we are on the subject, I'm just a little curious: How are people pronouncing Alduin?

Al-dune or Al-dew-in?

I personally use the former over the later.

I pronounce it Al-du-in, which, given my track record, means its pronounced exactly the opposite I think Todd might have said it in one of his interview vids, I'd check those.

UI is an odd choice for an OO sound. If it were Tolkien, it would be Al-dew-in, which also sounds more Nordic.

My 2 cents:
In order means that his answer was " It depends".
I pronounce it Al-do (as in "do something")- in

I thought it was "Al-dew-in".