Everything is open to interpretation, that's the beauty of it, it is as simple as that.

Nah, I meant because we have to answer this same question. Again and again. And again.

But I wouldn't mind answering question after question if I could for people who genuinely don't know

Oh...then yes.

From what I've seen it dosen't look like the TES universe is particularly well suited to you. In this universe as with many others what is and isn't canon isn't all that clear. The power of canon is entirely gifted to it by the people who agree with it, it holds no intrinsic merit. That invested value that canon often has is further diminished when the boundaries are deliberately blurred as they are in the TES universe. Think of Elder Scrolls as an image and your perception of it as a screen or monitor. Now this image that is TES is a swirling landscape of varying shades. The problem is that you see this and think it is unclear, you adjust the contrast on your monitor until you are seeing black and white. You then jump to the conclusion that this is the true meaning behind the image and proceed to tell everyone else so.

You're wrong.

Have a nice day.

I love the TES series it has fun gameplay and good stories.

Hey me too!

Just pointing out that ignoring the stories you don't like dosen't make them cease to exist.

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Anyway back on topic. Akatosh and Alduin are separate but the same. Akatosh only came to be through political moves made by Alessia using the Amulet of Kings as some sort of proof of this covenant between the Time Dragon who loves mankind and Mankind. And because people believed, it came to be. Alduin was always there. But because the new persona of himself as the protector of man contradicted is true nature of starting the kalpas over, he had to wait for the Amulet of Kings, the symbol of the covenant, to be destroyed.

So basically, close all fiction-related forums because you don't hold with the idea that sometimes authors deliberately leave things open to interpretation, as TES often does, that most of the fun from such is interpreting those things?

I think TES is exactly the wrong series for the likes of you.

And seriously, Candlejack? What kind of a stupid name is Candl

It's not that I don't like them, I love MK's stories.

It's just that I don't take anything that hasn't been proven canon as canon.




Looks like I got another one

So what does it take to be proven as canon? If Skyrim comes along and confirms everything said in Nu-Mantia (for example), does it become canon? Or do you continue to ignore it, despite the fact that all it's facts are now official?

If Bethesda through Skyrim or in some interview say it is then it is, and I would accept it on the spot.

Well let's clarify. What does being canon actually entail, not what qualifies something as canon but what being canon means for a story/piece of lore?

it means its actually part of the universes story and not what amounts to a fanfic.

But none of it really happened. And this "fanfic" was written by developers. And dosen't contradict anything stated in-game...

MK isn't a developer, he WAS a developer..... 9 1/2 years ago.



Also countless of the Star Wars/Star Trek games/books/side series don't contradict the series themselves yet no one treats them as canon.

The lack of contradiction doesn't validate anything.

MK still does freelance work for Beth, he still writes for them and he's still an influence acknowledged by present devs.

He worked on Knights of the Nine, which was released in 2006 (5 years ago). The Concord of the White-Gold, which appears in Skyrim, is also his work. So no, not 9 1/2 years ago.

That doesn't make him a developer, it makes him a freelancer.



One is a employee of Bethesda and thus their word is the word of Bethesda, and one simply does work for them

Learn the difference please.

True, he's not a developer anymore. Instead he does alot of writing for the developers that they still use. Shame on me.

What Lord Tidus said. Also, you didn't address the comment I made earlier. You don't seem to recognize the basic subjectieness of the universe. The gods themselves can be shaped by mortal opinion. What's the point of cheating yourself out of so much rich delicious lore!? :banghead:

EDIT: What I guess I'm trying to say is that whatever your opinion, MK's texts are part of canon for us. If they're not for you then no problem, but no amount of arguing will change the fact that it is most certainly an important part of the mythology for us.

Does freelancing contribute to the development of the game?

That's what I thought.

He did one speech and part of 1 DLC, compared to everything else in Oblivion it is small, VERY small. Daying he does a lot is a gross misrepresentation.


The point is that the lore isn't "true". Just because you lie to yourself in an attempt to make the universe more interesting doesn't mean its right


By that logic music composers are developers, which they are not.

Of course they are, just a different type.