Akatosh-Lorkhan the same entity?

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:09 pm

The creation myths have common elements because some part of mortals was a witness to the events.

So it seems. There's not usually mention of mortal beings in the creation myths, but it is odd they all involve Shor and the other gods making the world then Shor getting his heart ripped out. It's the combonation of varying perspectives and thousands of years between the events and the present that make those oh-so-seemingly-important differences in details. I mean think, proto-Aldmer believe thet the gods must have been tricked, and so current elves believe that they are naturally divine and the world is a prison. Proto-men believed that the world was created as a testing ground but when they realized they were trapped the gods of the Aldmer betrayed and killed Shor. They now believe that Shor made the world and its beings and that the other gods are measured in how they acted towards him (Kyne is okay, she was giving Shor his nookie. Akatosh is a rotten [censored], he ripped his heart out, ate his body and stole his wife). Hist believe "hey [censored] you guys, we'll kick you when you're down and take your land because this world is really ours."
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:21 pm

I have heard people mentioning about Akatosh and Lorkhan being the same being...I am greatly confused. Does this mean Akatosh got the et'ada to create the world and then ripped his own heart out? Does he have multiple personalities? Or is it something similar to Sheogorath and Jygallag?

Thanks.


Now I'm even more confused :P So Akatosh and Lorkhan aren't the same entity, their just related thanks to their "aurbrilical cord"? Why did Akatosh go insane when Lorkhan's heart was ripped out?


So he's basically got a split personality?


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Serjo,

Your request has been made with the utmost propriety, and thus do I commend you with a return-of-discourse as requested, at least as applied to my own tirades, for the words of others are beyond my control.

It has long been my contention that the removal of Lorkhan's Heart and the Curse of Jyggalag coincide with one another. This I shall address upon request, but first, you have asked whether Lorkhan and Akatosh are one and the same. Although I, like all others, am fully vulnerable to being contradicted (praise JHUNAL!), I herein proffer the explanation that has garnered me the best response thus far. I hope that it aids you in your understanding.

The question was "How Did Lorkhan Fail At CHIM?"

I answered as follows:

TWM: I believe that the answer to your question necessarily requires one to know what "CHIM" is in order to understand what it is not. For only in understanding what it is can one backtrack the downfall from "what it could have been".

How did the Trickster fail? Sure, it was when He got his Heart ripped out, however that answer belies a greater question, and that question is "what did it MEAN when He got his Heart ripped out?"

It's rejection. A thing rejected requires something else besides itself to do the rejecting, which means that the Rejected One is not [ALL].

But how can one feel love if not separated from another being and risk rejection? How can one appreciate or be appreciated?

The beauty of life requires separation from the divine.

And divinity requires an encompassing of the whole.

To Live or Rule, that is the question.

The secret syllable of royalty is [you must learn this elsewhere].

How did Lorkhan "fail"? Who says He actually tried to acheive it in good faith to begin with?

XxChaplainxX: "Why would Lorkhan even need to. Isn't he already CHIM(ish)?"

TWM: No, Lorkhan "isn't" CHIM-ish, but he was CHIM-ish. Remember that Lorkhan is the same as/twin of Akatosh.

Akatosh said "I AM"...and his negative aspect (which is just as much him as the other side of a quarter) said "I AM NOT".

The text of et'Ada, Eight Aedra, Eat the Dreamer states:

The Aedroth Aka, who goes by so many names as to perhaps already suggest what I'm about to commit to memospore, is completely insane. His mind broke when his "perch from Eternity allowed the day" and we of all the Aurbis live on through its fragments, ensnared in the temporal writings and erasures of the acausal whim that he begat by saying "I AM". In the aetheric thunder of self-applause that followed (nay, rippled until convention, that is, amnesia), is it any wonder that the Time God would hate the same-twin on the other end of the aurbrilical cord, the Space God? That any Creation would become so utterly dangerous because of that singular fear of a singular word's addition: "I AM NOT"?

Akatosh realized that Akatosh existed, and by that initial self-contemplation legitimized himself by comparing himself to everything else that isn't Akatosh.

To put in another way, anytime you think about yourself, you have to contemplate "you" as a separate entity, mentally holding yourself at a distance to view. And man, when Akatosh thinks like that, whatever he was thinking about becomes real. And the first was the Mighty Lorkhan, the anti-Akatosh, who was more of a limit than a nature, so he could never last long anywhere.

But when Lorkhan became a permanent limitation, an "I AM NOT YOU, AKATOSH", then Akatosh lost his mind. He lost his "I AM ALL ARE WE"-ness. There was something that he could not be.

And so Akatosh strives to reclaim what is his by metaphysically "eating" [creation], bringing himself back to that beginning point of completeness.

But what are Akatosh's "THAT'S NOT ME" thoughts? Those are the pieces of Akatosh, the divine royalty of incomplete possiCHIM that the dragon molted off and became [the player].

Is what I just said true? Who knows....no one but the reader.


Yours in the Scrolls,

______The Word Merchant of Julianos

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:31 pm

****OLD POST RECYCLED****
Serjo,

Your request has been made with the utmost propriety, and thus do I commend you with a return-of-discourse as requested, at least as applied to my own tirades, for the words of others are beyond my control.

It has long been my contention that the removal of Lorkhan's Heart and the Curse of Jyggalag coincide with one another. This I shall address upon request, but first, you have asked whether Lorkhan and Akatosh are one and the same. Although I, like all others, am fully vulnerable to being contradicted (praise JHUNAL!), I herein proffer the explanation that has garnered me the best response thus far. I hope that it aids you in your understanding.

The question was "How Did Lorkhan Fail At CHIM?"

I answered as follows:


Woah, I had to read through that a couple of times before I understood, but that's helpful, thanks Word Merchant.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 12:01 am

Woah, I had to read through that a couple of times before I understood, but that's helpful, thanks Word Merchant.

Muthsera,

I am, as always, at your service. May the Grace of the Nine illuminate your searches, for I remain...


Yours in the Scrolls,


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