Yeah, I get it. The Atmorans escaped a literal freezing. Escaped being the operative; and the Kamal do the same, every thaw. Thaw, or escape the freezing, either can relay the same meaning.


I'm pretty sure he was a Great Ape. If he was http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQSeSoSGw_iowXeQIIXZHrXUNzhLjAC0eQrqnDExP3demI45qi0ug&t=1, that's cool.


@Alduine Ysgramor is a comparable figure to Ada'Soom, and the Nords were pushed from Tamriel. Akavir's mysterious, according to Tamriel's standard. So, they're anologous with Nords, but I'll try Kamal another time.

So what could we say about a horde of Snow-Demon empaths?

Ooh, I just caught the edit.

On the note of geography I also kind of wonder about an atmoran origin for Kamal too. Given the idea of our dualism here. If Tamriel is North America, and akavir is Eurasia then methinks Atmora could be the north pole, speaking positionally not as to the shape of the continents. Maybe too simple but an idea.

The notion of being Padomaic or Anuic in nature determining the direction of ones migration would be the crux of the idea.

I still like to think that Kaarstag was something like a Kamal, and perhaps that Kaarstag name is simply the Tamrielicized version of the name.

Wonder if the Pyanodoneans (sp. Hard to check on this iPod touch, lol) are the opposite of Tang Mo. Lol. But that's an unknown unknown I'd say.

Doesn't the 500 Companions say that Kaarstag wasn't so much Kaarstag's name, but the name of his people? And that they were from Atmora as well, IIRC.

I was always kind of hesitant to accept the theory of Kaarstag being a Kamal, but your idea actually fits a lot of the pieces in place. I like it.

And you know given this whole Nord=Scandinavian thing, wouldn't that make our Aedra a sort of Aesir to have a frost giant equivalent. Now there's some interesting meta-correlation as well for our Kamal friends, and maybe an idea as to their creation myth.

That or we're all overanolyzing an elaborate Yeti joke. :spotted owl:

I suspect Karstaag wasn't from Snow Hell, but a Falmer warlock.

In a way, quite interesting as well.

Makes me wonder if one of the things you do as a mer race is subjugate the local goblins. lol.

Well, Karstaag guards the fleets from Atmora. They seem like star-clerks, hanging lamps in the sky to help the fleet to Skyrim. So I don't think they could be Falmer, it was only my suspicion.


They tend to enslave the next dumbest creature, be it human or goblin.

There's a lot of things Karstaag could be. He wouldn't necessarily have to be the same type of Karstaag as the ones from Atmora. He could have simply taken that name after reading about them, in reverence. He could be anything from a shape shifted Bosmer left over from a Wild Hunt to a Snow Demon of Kamal, or even one of the remnants of the earliest children of the Divines who took many strange shapes. (Morihaus was a bull for instance and his son, presumably, the first Emperor of humans after Alessia's death, was either a Bull himself or a minotaur.)