I understand how the whole dragon thing has people excited and so probably overlooked this, and i don't blame them. i've been searching for them ever since the ebonheart statue brought them to my attention. But reviewing some history lessons on the wiki i discovered the symbol appears as the akaviri banner i believe in Morrowind. Are we going to see another invasion? Are the two connected somehow? why is the banner being used on the box but the focus is somehow on the dragons? Am i missing anything?

That is the symbol of the Empire...

Yep, been used as the symbol of the Empire in every game.

It's relation to the Akaviri is just a coincidence, I believe.

Well it's the Seal of Akatosh but for all we know the Akaviri might make an appearance but as of now all we know is that the dragons have returned but we don't have any idea if they are the Akaviri dragons and they have help or if it's just dragons. The Seal of Akatosh was on the title screen and game box for Morrowind also. Also if you get on Oblivion, go the Imperial Palace and look at the doors.

It's use is not a coincidence at all. It is intentionally derived because of the Tamrielic military use of Akaviri styles. It is mainly seen in the blades. See http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Akaviri for more information. It's not a lot, but its something.

that's where i saw it and why i was wondering... seems a bit of a disconnect to be quite honest, not really sure what bethesda is thinking by muddying up the symbol this way...

Muddying it up? What do you mean?

It's not really muddied up. The history of the blades goes back to the Reman Empire since before they were even known as the blades. Back when they were actually Akaviri Bodyguards in the Reman Era. Men did used to live on Akavir (no men live on Akavir anymore, they were all eaten) so it makes sense to see the symbol since the blades are essentially Descendants of that Akaviri order.

Seeing as Akavir means "Dragon land" and the beasts of Akavir hate the people of Tamriel.

I can see the story of Skyrim will be invasion by Akavir, which will bring their dragons, demons and other monsters to Skyrim.

Its the imperial symbol the dragon is akatosh

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And Akatosh/Alduin (however, it's debatable whether they're the same 'person', the most commonly believed theory are that they're two sides to his personality, like Jyggalag/Sheogorath) is the main enemy in the game, which is quite funny. But the symbol is the traditional symbol of The Empire, who have bit's of history that connect them closely to the Akavir as well as pitting themselves against them. Also, Akatosh is the head of the pantheon of Imperial religion.

You got that info from UESP never trust lore info of UESP

If that was directed at me, I did not.

Most of the info I have gotten from UESP has been accurate and even the things that were not accurate weren't far off their marks. I do double checks of a lot of information by actually going into the games to reference the information when I'm skeptical and very rarely have I found anything wrong with the information. No more wrong info than I've found on The Imperial Library anyway. Both have their flaws, and both provide excellent information. I generally tend to use both together. In this case the information from UESP and from TIL are both the same.

i understand that much, the new game informer even goes on to say they were related to dragons, although it's somewhat confusing(perhaps inentionally) on that point. i mean es lore clearly states that lowly cliffracers(who i have hunted on more than one occasion) hunted and drove out dragons, i fail to see why we need a special race to do it... however, it's also as someone pointed out the sigil of the empire, considering the two were at war, why would the septim dynasty take on a symbol of the enemy(of course if it's related to akatosh i would see why, but considering the gods are different between the provinces of tamriel i fail to imagine that the akaviri would not have their own pantheons...)

as for the akaviri, it says as i recall that they enslaved the red dragons but the black ones escaped(reference to the antagonist in skyrim?) and we know humans still exist in akavir since Akaviri Commander Mishaxhi is clearly imperial.



any advice on where to go elsewhere? they've not steered me wrong in a great variet of things before and hunting down obscure books in game is sometimes a pain...



Jyggalag/Sheogorath are from the same anti-pantheon of the deadra, i'm not so sure the imperial dieties work quite that way... besides that was a punishment for overreach... akatosh seams a bit more benevolent and not bound to the same checks and balances...


sorry i'm new on this particular forum didn't mean to rehash, it's just been like a unscratchable itch, and i've heard there are es lore experts here who might sort it out...


as for muddying the symbol, if it's akaviri, or akatoshi or an imperial symbol, they should stick with it for that one use, different regions should feel different by having their own symbols, like red mountain for morrowind or
whatnot, as this is the nordic game i fail to see how if this is a symbol of the empire it applies at all. if it's akaviri what is it doing as a main symbol of the empire? if it's religous why represent the evil dragons with it? that's what i mean by muddying. a symbol that means everything means nothing. imho at least.

either way i have a really sneaky suspicion that the dunmer are going to be a very popular class of sudden.... that and frost salts and willow anther,,,

The Daedric princes are more powerful than the Aedra, since they didn't take part in the creation of Mundus. The Aedra are bound to Nirn, and thus follow MORE checks and balances.