But the Ordinators & Armigers answer, ultimately, directly to Vivec. And Vivec has never shown any inclination to fight the Empire. It was he who negotiated the surrender treaty in the first place, without even being defeated or fighting any war at all. He seems to feel the future of Morrowind is as part of the Empire, like it or not.

Dagoth Ur gave him a special duty and the power (sort of) to do it. Even contact with Corprus Stalkers doesn't always spread the disease. Not nearly as reliabaly as Dagoth Gares could spread it.

Correction; the Armigers answer to Vivec, and the Ordinators answer to Almalexia.

Also, an entire race of people, and their gods are worried, hence the "family" Ghostfence.



Ordinators - Almalexia

Buoyant Armigers - Vivec

Crimson is correct. Being also from House Indoril, many Ordinators probably would be among the first groups of Dunmer to repel the Empire from Morrowind.

It's never stated that Gares cursed him with corprus; he was in a Sixth House base, he could have very well contracted it via conventional means...

It's very strongly implied. The soldier was used to deliver a message. A very gruesome message, from Dagoth Gares. So I'd say he probably gave him corprus.

No, its not, you're just reading into it how what you want:

This Dagoth Gares slew the rest of the patrol, but spared the one trooper. He told the trooper he was being spared, so he might tell others that "The Sleeper Awakes," etc etc. The trooper awakened outside the caves and returned here. We couldn't recognize him, and he didn't respond to questions... just kept rambling on like a madman until... He died soon after, horribly disfigured with corprus disease, and out of his wits.

That's all the information we get; I can just as reasonably assume that he was spared because he happened to get corprus while in the attack normally (not wanting to kill one of their own flesh). The facts are though that there's no reason to assume either, we don't know, and therefore neither of us can use the trooper to prove or disprove the "curse on a whim" argument; Occam's Razor however would tell us that he contracted it normally and was spared regardless of reasoning.

But he was defeated technically. Juliec(sp?) bypassed his forces and took the city he was supposed to be defending. I'd call that a defeat.

Huh?

From 2920...

That seems like a silly thing for you to say. You act as if it really happened, and ignore the fact that it was all under the control of the game creators.



Out of curiosity are there any Omnipresent beings of the TES universe?

No, though should a mortal reach the Final Subgradient (Eternal I), they would for all intents and purposes fill all three criteria...

You seem to be confusing two separate empires here Ordo. Prince Juliek's victory at Ald Marak was at the end of the Reman Empire. The Armistice that was referred to earlier was with Tiber Septim.

It seems far more likely that the trooper got Corprus from Dagoth Gares. He gave the Nerevarine Corprus, so it isn't beyond his power.


I'm saying that Dagoth Ur doesn't have all the knowledge that Kagrenac had.

I'd say that Dagoth Ur & Kagrenac have about the same amount of knowledge concerning the Heart, they just know different things about it. For instance I doubt Kagrenac ever dreamed of the Heart managing some of the stuff Dagoth Ur does like Corprus; but at the same time Dagoth Ur doesn't know what happened to the Dwemer, so Kagrenac was more knowledgeable in that area...

I thought that after Juliek won they were going to make a treaty but the Emperor couldn't come because his eye accident. Then Juliek, with all the 'treaty signing' power of the Emperor, signed. Or maybe he didn't get to signing. Can't remember if he signed it befor he left the negotiations and was murdered or not.

Yeah, but would he have been able to figure any of that out without tampering with Keening and Sunder? I doubt Ur could've figured out how to make those. He was a general, not a enchant-smith or whatever it's called.

Nevermind...

"Dagoth Ur is the former Lord High Councilor of House Dagoth. He was of Lord Nerevar's generation, older than we, and a mighty sorcerer and enchanted in life."--Vivec

"But when Dagoth Ur, Lord of House Dagoth, and trusted as a friend by both Nerevar and the Dwemer, brought us proof that High Engineer Kagrenac of the Dwemer had discovered the Heart of Lorkhan, and that he had learned how to tap its powers, and was building a new god, a mockery of Chimer faith and a fearsome weapon"http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/battle_redmountain.shtml

The first quote proves that he was very skilled in the magickal arts, the second that he was very close with Kagrenac (he knew about the Numidium before the Dwemer King did, that's saying something)...

So Dagoth Ur was a Battle-mage when he was Lord Voryn Dagoth? And the Dwemer were basically a race of Battle-mages? And the heart of the Numidium was the heart of the Imperial Battle-mage...


To paraphrase Shakespeare: "...kill all the battlemages.." We'll have a lot less big stompy robots and less need for epic heroes....waitaminnit. That would reduce TES to the Sims...

Also, God does not exist in Nirn, gods, which are spheres of fundamental attributes of the universe, are aligned with THE gods, (still gods) Anu and Padomay, which would be as close as you could get to omnipresent, as Nirn is the interplay/arena/struggle of the two INEFFABLE (thnks prowe) forces.

Basically, Nirn IS the answer to the question: 'What do you get when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?' Easiest answer, Infinite becomes limited.

I haven't read 2920 in a while so I'm a little fuzzy on details, but I'm pretty sure that Juliek was killed after the signing of that particular Armistice.

Prince Juilek was killed accidentally by an assassin.

Well, duh. Nobody ever said that he wasn't.

Well,maybe if Dqagoth Ur won,Tamriel people could live better.No more need of food,water..no more work,no more war,no more freedom-thinking,but....?happiness!

The liberty is the slavery of the masses,when we are ascended sleepers,the power will be unleashed

Free-thinking is a bad thing? You aren't supposed to be happy all the time. You have to be sad and angry sometimes so you won't be content with doing absolutely nothing to solve your problems.