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Britta Gronkowski
 
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 12:19 am

I can run with this for as long as necessary. After all, who is not the original, ultimate model of the Rebel and the King but the Writer and his Boss (dread deadline in hand)?. This view helps us understand Redguard for where it lies in the meta-mythic as well; wasn't that game precisely the point of departure for a lot of us - where the weird won through, and the first (only?) defeat of Talos. Empire Todd Actual appears as a guiding, almost invisible force in Morrowind (in the Spheres of some of that game's writers, not so much in some others). Finally, we come full circle to Skyrim, Hjalti's homeland, the perfected phantastmic playground for his idea of Mundus/fantasy (and a cracking good game for it).

And yes, that was an attempt to psycho-anolyse the writers of the Elder Scrolls series in an attempt to unlock the secret, hidden meaning behind the worlds and characters they have given us. I should probably go to bed now.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 2:10 am

And yes, that was an attempt to psycho-anolyse the writers of the Elder Scrolls series in an attempt to unlock the secret, hidden meaning behind the worlds and characters they have given us. I should probably go to bed now.

Nonono, this is the point where you stay up for another 36 hours, write a series of anolytical monkey-truth sermons, and all of our brains melt out our ears when you post them.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:23 pm

This was my take on it, way back when.

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Post-Crisis anolysis on the State of Cyrodiil
or
Weathering the Storm

Tirandar Sundala
Artaeum (Recently Returned)

Debate and speculation over the uncertain fate of the Tamrielic Empire has proliferated over the past months in forms both heedless and hasty. However, I remind the greater scholarly assembly that ‘Tamrielic Empire’ is a loose, modern term. Its nature is collective and generalizing, and its use seduces our minds into oversimplifying the issues at hand. Therefore let us not forget that the primary institution of this continent started at its center, and that empires seldom fall from without. Indeed, we have survived the threat from the single, most extreme definition of “without,” and it is time to look inwards once again.

In past eras both common whim and official stances demanded the use of the moniker ‘Cyrodiilic Empire.’ This term is now rarely-used, and this report will endeavor to display the significance and ominous nature of this fact.

Abstract


The full text of this report, with source material and manuscripts included, is far too bulky for swift communication, so the following summary shall arrive some days ahead by messenger bird.

My findings on the survivability of the Cyrodiilic Empire in its present incarnation are thus: It cannot meet its present challenges. The doom reserved for the Heartland is not the doom of a civilization or even a question of military or political precariousness. Expect no insurrections, no resurgence of some recurring threat. The Camorans and Umarils be damned, the hegemony of Imperial White-Gold scoffs at such attacks, according to its nature as the indomitable center of the Mundus.

The damning factors are social, economic, and historical, a slow rot inside the Imperial Province that may be called a destructive cancer or merely a natural symptom of Empire.

In no particular order, I present the greatest earthly threats to the Empire.

An Empire of its Provinces:

Many of the Empire’s greatest assets have come from beyond the borders of Cyrodiil. Talos was born in Atmora or High Rock. Numidium came from Morrowind, and its moniker Brass-God is a worthy one, considering the untold mineral wealth to be had there. Nordic and Akaviri attributes respectively infused Colovia and Nibenay with their vitality. The power of the Legions is multiplied over and again by the fighting spirit of the ra’gada and pig-men of Orsinium. Imperial High Culture owes its existence to exchange with Summerset aristocracy, and even Elsweyr drives the flow of wealth with a massive, illegal trade in Moon Sugar. This is not a comprehensive or even inclusive list, but a cursory glance at the value of the fiefs to be found under the wing of the new Dominion.

So wherein lies the danger? If this scholar had drawn up a ‘comprehensive list,’ the provinces to be rarely mentioned would be Argonia, Valenwood, …and Cyrodiil. The Empire is cruising along, if you will forgive the expression, like a Breton merchant cog, sailing on the winds of its satellite kingdoms. The Imperial Province is in danger of falling into irrelevance.

A Center No More


Cyrodiil’s resources lie ignored. The province, even after so many years, is supplied with an embarrassment of natural riches: timber, silver, fertile soil, enough quarry-ready stone to rebuild Kvatch and Sutch thrice over. These resources and their associated industries are still and idle because the provinces are so adept at providing them instead. It is impossible to compete with the plethora of monopolistic contracts granted to the Empire’s Charter companies. A purple tide of ebony and a green glacier of glass from Vvardenfell have descended upon Cyrodiil in recent years, shattering both the economy of Nibenay and the viability of those markets in the region. Agriculture is now almost unknown in some regions, as grain is either imported or grown for the sole purpose of local subsistence. These problems do, perhaps, have additional roots and causes in the period of climate change that transformed Nibenay, but that is a study for a different time.

The written histories, even those that were never “reviewed” by the Empire, are remarkably harmonious on this point: it was the soldiery of Cyrodiil that conquered Tamriel. Nibenay and Colovia grasped the same banner and fused their vital talents, creating an invincible machine of conquest. The Imperial Legions are still an unequaled force, but where are they? Cyrodiil has exported even its own defense to the provinces. The only martial presence in Cyrodiil, besides the bannermen of the Counties, is an anomalous body that bears no resemblance to the actual Legions. Its ranks are homogenous, having been drawn entirely from the Imperial male population. This flies in the face of the radically inclusive and cosmopolitan Legion of Vvardenfell, which is flexible and resilient. The Legion of Cyrodiil is now an unrelated entity, drawn from a distinct, equestrian class, primarily devoted to patrol and public order, bedecked in expensive, impractical equipment that suggests a ceremonial role. These troops were almost entirely paralyzed during the Oblivion Crisis, and took no part in the battles for Bruma or the other besieged towns. Clearly, they cannot compare with the forces abroad in the provinces, which remain effective even as they become increasingly regional. Why were the Legions absent during the crisis? Because they no longer belong to the Empire so much as the areas they occupy. This scholar also wonders if those in command questioned whether greater Cyrodiil contained anything worth protecting.

The failings examined above could be remedied but for an unfortunate fact: the Capital is defunct as the administrative center of an Empire. It is no longer a nexus of government and command, nor even a royal seat for the Emperor. As the Emperor’s health and resolve declined, the Elder Council and his heirs performed many of his duties. It is no surprise that such a diverse body of governors sent policy in a multitude of conflicting directions. The result was that the Empire came to be run on a case-by-case basis, with each province enjoying treatment specific to its status and to the stances of its councilor. At the present time the client kingdoms and fiefs of the Empire enjoy more autonomy than at any other time in the Septim dynasty, and certainly more than was ever intended. In fact, each region outside the border of Cyrodiil has become so independent of Imperial jurisdiction, and so unique in the workings of its government, that the Elder Council has vacated the Capital. This has led to a critical decentralization of power and indirectly, a state of isolation within Cyrodiil in terms of culture and economy.

Cyrodiil Transformed


These problems have solutions, make no mistake. Regrettably, there is no entity extant with the capacity to implement them. The bone and marrow of the Empire has always been the magnetism of Cyrodiil and its people. Even without the favor of the gods and the ranks of invincible heroes, the Seat of Sundered Kings was destined for greatness, for its nature as the center of the world and all its forces could not have been denied. It was upon this eternal fact that the three Empires of Man have been built . The fact remains, (witness the Dragon-Statue of Akatosh) but the province it applies to does not. The interplay between east and west, Nibenay and Colovia, gave the Empire its strength. That constructive rivalry is at an end. Not even the landscape has escaped the devolution.

Nibenay is no more. It exported its own virtue and was dwarfed by the powers it spawned. With eclipse came isolation, and when separated from its source of heritage and vitality it lost its image of itself. No longer rich and powerful, immigration from the neighboring provinces bring the worst those regions have to offer, and the Heartland is further changed from what it once was. Today the Thousand Cults of the Imperial City are forgotten, once-endless farmland has gone to seed, and the mouth of the Niben slowly silts, making navigation impossible even if there were ports to attract nautical trade.

Colovia experiences similar problems. The spirit of the robust North has run dry, and the region has become impotent. While the Highlands does not lament turning inwards, isolation will have ill effects here as well. The Gold Coast still thrives, but it now represents the entirety of Cyrodiil’s exchange with the outside world, it is pulling the weight of a province. Money flows, but trade is not the role of the Colovian West.

Cyrodiil’s two halves brought the Empire into being by playing the roles of opposites, with one providing for the weakness of the other with its own strengths. This interplay is no more.

Think of the Remanada. That legend seems more familiar every day, for modern Cyrodiil is becoming ever more similar to the fractured, benighted land where Hrol made love to Alessia. This decline will continue unless a Reman again springs forth from the mud.






And Ald Cyrod at the very least needs a small landscape mod. Some rice fields with Ayleid irrigation systems, Keptu skiffs and rainforest canopy trees.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 9:14 am

Ald Cyrod could not withstand Talos. This is something we need to come to terms with. The jungles, the excess, White-Gold city a gleaming sprawl of banners and canols. That Cyrodiil belongs to Reman.

What we have to grasp is as the years rolled on, nostalgia and whimsy reshaped the mythic. Nu Cyrod, in light of its God-Emperor, in light of the thinning of the Dragon Blood, in light of the sheer mythological strain of holding together Empire Actual, could only collapse into child-dream of that hardy northerner, Hjalti. Two brusque observations: if Tiber was a Cyrodiil, he was Colovian through and through, and We Are All in Talos' Head and Talos is Dreaming Us. Less crudely, the Empire Actual could only maintain its Nibenian (cosmopolitan) aspect through the reflection of it self back from its own colonies - as the years took the Empire further from mortal Tiber Septim, and closer to the praxis of the Oblivion Crisis, there was only one image of Cyrod that could survive the The Prince of Destruction and his claims. Understand Tamriel is always shifting, reshaping, in the fever dreams of the missing God and his substitutes. The only form that could survive the trauma of the very jaws of Oblivion opening, the horizon of the universe tearing, was that fanciful dream in the head of brutish Hjalti. Only one Empire stood a chance against the armies of Oblivion. Not Reman's, Perif's or even the Cyrodiil that Talos inherited. Where previous modes did the job for the last few traumas Empire Mythic withstood, this one required a different Cyrod. It was, simply put, the Cyrodiil we were given in The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.

And then:

TALOS STORMCROWN =
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TODD HOWARD

Yeah, sure, s'all fine and good, but if you want to knew the REAL reason why T-money Redking'd the Weird outta Cyrod, read on:


"Are you certain this is a good idea? This isn't like your usual fablerie, [Renard], the simple prestidigitatorial histories and loresmithing. You're speaking about proscription of plain fact, cat-gut and jill-needle chimurgia of the living oikos of the Heartlands."

"I don't want to. I must. The risk that...they pose is too great. Something must be done. Believe me, I'd much rather keep the land the way she is. I do so love the rainforests: the tigers, the durians, etc. etc. Especially beautiful this time of year. "

"But a greater a risk than drought or famine, [Renard]? What of sericulture? Bombyces require very specific conditions. Have you considered that?"

"I have, 'Rin. We've nothing to lose there. A reduction in the number and size of Niben's magnaneries will make the Mothnastics easier to control. We'll also make a killing on the necessary tax hikes."

"Still though. It seems dreadfully invasive, and all for the sake of a few Minotaurs who only may wake to their lineage if they can be bothered to put aside the bottle for just a moment. You're certain we couldn't just, I don't know, invent another history? Perhaps our Blade spectres in Alinor geisted documentation of a secret, treacherous alliance between the Thalmor and Duke Mornibenu. Then we could have them rounded up and purged to the cheers of the rabble."

"Trust me when I tell you it wouldn't work, not with anything approaching acceptable certainty. Their claim to sunder-seat is so strong, so pure, that nothing short of a full erratum to Mother Cyrod's aka-shic record will ensure that they cannot contest me. Like I said, 'Rin, I must."

"Fine, [Renard], I defer. Shall I fetch Choir-Eight now? They've been left waiting for over an hour."

"Yes, yes...Oh, and 'Rin, If I'm to be Imperator Actual, we would all do well to address me by my proper name."

"Why, of course, m'lord Tiber Septim."
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 7:02 am

They?

Anyway, is there a difference in naming convention between Colovians and Nibeneans?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:34 pm

They?

Minotaurs, man, Mino Taurs.

MII NOH TAURS

Anyway, is there a difference in naming convention between Colovians and Nibeneans?

Not really, but the way I try to swing it like this:

Nibeneans: Classical, Latin and some Greek.

Colovians: Slavic (e.g. Rislav), Celtic (e.g. Cuhlecain), Germanic (e.g. Lazy Kaslowyn, Vlanhonder Moslin), Other (e.g. Bendu Olo).
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 6:12 am

Are the minotaurs really that much of a threat?

And yeah, in my mind I was finding ways of associating both Colovia and Nibenay with the....latinaneous....names.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 10:21 am

Are the minotaurs really that much of a threat?

You don't honestly believe that Talos enacted the Long-Winter protocol out of the kindness of his heart, do you? :teehee:
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 10:07 am

It's all a metaphor, guys, which means it has to be taken literally and at face value. Talos changed the jungle to a forest out of love for his men, sweating in the heavy fur-lined armors of the north. But much of Cyrodiil's history was tied up in the creeping vines and weighed down by the sweltering humidity of the jungle, and it escaped.

See, it's a metaphor. The things we do for love can cause harm to others by accident, even on a national scale, so have a care where you stick it.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 3:11 am

I'm feelin' kinda dumb-as-a-stump right now; i've read your post several times now (here and in the other thread) and I only just figured out that "'rin" is Zurin.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:59 pm

Some Colovians in Redguard have Anglicized Hebrew names (Amiel, Tobias).
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 7:43 am

My two cents on the topic as a whole:

Cyrodiil-in-Oblivion is only a travesty to the lore, not because of the appearance of Cyrodiil, but the people and dialogue. In-game there is no (maybe very little) distinction between Colovia and the Niben. Previously established lore is mostly ignored. When I play Oblivion, I don't feel like I'm in Cyrodiil, but in a stereotypical European fantasy.

Also, Imperial names are confusing. In Redguard they're Hebrew; in Morrowind they're Latin; in Skyrim they're Italian; and in Oblivion they are [they just didn't give a NUMINIT]...I mean stereotypical European fantasy.
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