The line is "the telvanni do their best to close the gates, but it is to no avail".

so they are likely to make some progress, at the very least containing the currently open gates or maybe actually close some of them... right?
in other words, some of the knowledge is there but the means or the success are not?

so, do i just find something that is in the middle between those two then? i was thinking of assigning a spell caster of some sort, a Telvanni for sure , to "maintaining a spell that kept the gate closed" or "the mage was maintaining a spell that kept the flood of Daedra from crossing through the gate...". how high up in the knowledge and ranking withing the House would the mage would actually need to be in order to actually have the knowledge and skill required for such a task? are we talking Deviath Fyr or Gotheran or someone around there somewhere?

Basically the Telvanni have exactly the same success rate as the PC in Oblivion, who also "does his best to shut the gates, but to no avail" (i.e. you shut one, another one opens, and still the Imperial City and Bruma are attacked). They presumably just do what the PC does, by nabbing the Sigil Stone, except they do it in about five seconds because they can levitate. Anyone with a levitation spell and enough wit and power to defend themselves could handle the task, once any given Telvanni who knows half a thing about Daedra explains the concept to them. (So basically, 90% of serving Telvanni wizards could make like the PC should they so desire.)

ah, so i can send one or two of them into the gate have them do like the PC did in Oblivion did . that's awesome, lots of possibilities to work with... now to figure out who is fitting one to send in

hm, so what esle is known? I assume the fighting takes place for days? Redoran is fighting and Telvanni make it to Ald-Ruhn within a day or two or less to help out? hm, would we see Fyr stick his nose in here? and regarding the ancient rituals...who would perform them, Telvanni too or some other knowing mages?

I have a feeling that what happened in Ald'Ruhn was like that of Kvatch, only the Redorans didn't have a PC hero to save their ass, and put up a harder fight. The Telvanni are probably too preoccupied as it is

I don't think Telvanni will send someone to help out the Redoran. In fact, I expect they will start adding more territory to their land when the Redoran become very weak.

with... what, an attack that takes place elsewhere but Ald-Ruhn? so they are not likely to be the once doing the ancient rituals? :confused:

ah, that about bursts my bubble.
i figured a cooperative effort is logical and possible, what with defending the homeland and all. :confused:

meant that Redoran was caught with their pants down, and only because they were a city of warriors and had a giant emperor crap they brought back to life did they have some ability to somewhat fight, despite being caught with their pants down.

And because the Redorans were caught by surprise, I doubt anyone could have sent aid because no one really knew about it till much later.

Also, what Qawsed Asap is most likely true. Before the invasion, you hear of Hlaalu, Dres, and Telvanni "pick the carcass of Indoril." The Telvanni do not give a single care for anyone, other than themselves. They are extremely isolationist, and only interact when it directly affects them in a positive way, like taking territory other houses fail to control. And there is no "defend the homeland" in them. When Tiber Septim, and the Remans centuries earlier, were knocking on Morrowind's door, the Telvanni did nothing. Dres, Redoran, and Indoril fought or were prepared to fight to the bitter end. Hlaalu wanted to negociate. Telvanni? Nothing. They did nothing at all.

You have to remember, the Telvanni do not really care for glory or fame, they really only care about power. It's in their rules that if you kill someone because of a dispute, obviously your side was superior, because you blew the other person away. Might makes right. Hell, if you kill or steal from fellow Telvanni and make it out alive, it's yours and if the other person cared about that item you stole, it would have been better protected. Heck, as long as you ask to rejoin Telvanni, they'll let your right back in; they don't care who lives, dies, joins, or whatever.

hm, i figured Telvanni were egoistic and all, i read enough to come to that conclusion, but to sit by and do nothing to help Ald-Ruhn? wow.

so what were they preoccupied with though? what am i missing, them fighting elsewhere while Ald-Ruhn is being attacked or are they just sitting in their mushrooms, chilling? then where are they closing the gates at, Sadrith Mora? :confused:

Apparently they figured that closing the gates was in their best interests. Either that or Aryon became Archmagister.

maybe i'll write in Arayon to be in Ald-Ruhn for whatever reason before the attack and he will be helping them close them gates

lol, why not just sign up and be a part of the discussion, hm? and who is hiding in the Anonymous

I would say it this way. Remember when the gate start popping up out of nowhere and caught many people off guard in Oblivion? Its a the same thing here. The gates would simultaneously pop out of no where near the settlements of the Telvanni and the Redoran at the same time. They do not have time to send help when everyone is already been attack.


That would be me. Much more fun being a ghost. Remember?

So that's why they cut Levitation from the game - to mask the critical design flaw in the Sigil Towers!


Agreed. I'm sure they would also be utilizing their magical resources in Sadrith Mora to defend that region, and philanthropic assistance to the other Houses was of low priority. Then again, I'm sure there may be a few benevolent Telvanni magi who were enlisted by the other houses.

Or to make it look like they're "helping" they send the scrubs to die. Well, the mouths maybe. The magisters most likely will only look out their window if they notice a gate has popped right inside and the daedra are knocking on their tower of residency. And we shouldn't put THAT much faith in Aryon. If you guys remember right, it has been noted that the underlings who were constructing the basemant of his tower and dungeons were killed by daedra or falling rocks, and he didn't give it a single thought. Also, he does keep an imperial guard on display behind bars in his museum as an exhibit, though he hasn't exactly fed him much because the guard has tried to escape a few times.

He is more altruistic and open than other magisters, but that's relative to other Telvanni magisters.

ah, yeah, you... took me a bit to realize who you are... Kaiba avatar was too, hm, unfitting or what?

:( then who of Telvanni can i write in as helpers? the scrubs? would these scrubs have adequate knowledge and skills to actually be of use with the gates in Ald-Ruhn and fight? or does does concept of Telvanni helping out in Ald-Ruhn sound to be near impossibility? so then... who is closing the gates in and around Ald-Ruhn? no one? Redoran just has to fight it out? :confused:

Naw, but thank April Fools day for the changing. That day, everyone's avatar was a cuddly bear name Rohugh. After a day of lulz, everyone changed their avatar to something else. It gives me an opportunity to have a different avatar.


the list of potential scrubs:
*Underling the Archmagister hates
*Slaves
*One that threaten the Archmagister's position
*Slaves
*Not-very skilled mages
*And did I mention Slaves?

Pretty much anyone that can be replaceable. Do they have the knowledge of closing the gate? Maybe, assuming they can use a spell at all or defend themselves from scamps. But my money that they died along the way.

Knowing Redoran, they will fight with every men they have, but it quite questionable if they know how to close the gate if they ever enter into one.

There could be someone in the group that does what the PC did, stick his/her hand in the burning column of fire and pull the orb out, hoping they can close it, despite there being a chance of losing their hands in the fire :shrug: . But...I have a feeling the CoC was a bit..shall we say..slow in the head, too in-the-moment of a person. Think about it, would any sane person stick their hands into a giant column of fire to grab an orb that's probably just as hot as the fire?

Remember, Manuel, Ald'Ruhn fell, and even the newly resurrected Emperor Crab was destroyed. With Ald'Ruhn being destroyed, there is a very good chance most of the higher ups of Redoran (who all moved to Ald'Ruhn) are dead. It's not in Redoran's nature to retreat. Hell, they refused to fight guerrilla warfare against the empire and only wanted to fight out in the fields like the honorable soldiers they believe themselves too be. I mean, even Indoril was ready to fight guerrilla warfare in Vvardenfel, and they're hardcoe Temple.

i see... i think i lost the desire to write this thing ... so then, what, besides the IL link and that time line snippet is known about the invasion?

Daedra came, Redoran fought them, resurrected the dead Emperor Crab they used as their main building for a while. However, even the giant undead crab was defeated and couldn't stem the destruction. However, Ald'Ruhn's destruction probably got the rest of MW to start preparing and put up a fight.

If you really want to write about a side that did very well during the invasion, Black Marsh really kicked MD's ass. That's what's nice about being in a completely inhospitable land, no one can really invade you. And it's not just the argonian's zeal the biggest problem; you have swarms of flesh eating flies everywhere, disease and poison is heavily rampant, the very ground is very wet mud, alien creatures pop can pop out of no where at any time, and the plants will freaking kill you. Hell, not even Tiber Septim fought the argonians of Black Marsh. He basically asked if they would like to be part of the empire in name.

:rofl:
"Excuse me, sorry to bother you. Would you like to be a part of my Empire?"
"What's in it for us?"
"Slavery for some, freedom for others. The pay stinks and some of us will hate you"
"Eh, sure, why not"
:rofl:

well, the invasion seems like a good scenario to write about so i wanted to go with that... just not the Argonians.... i am selective about who or what i write about and Argonians don't really make the cut... seems there is very little to go off in regards to Ald-Ruhn or Morrowind in general concerning the invasion, so that's why i came here, to fish for more info. not much to fish for here though, huh?

Well, to me this seems like the perfect reason to write about it! At least for now, you virtually have artistic license to write what you want, how you want it!

lol, so what then am i supposed to or going to do with my tendency to keep my writing Lore friendly? :dance:

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Even the lore isn't lore friendly.

yeah, but i do need some points of reference and something to check against when i put something down onto the paper(or in this case, Word document ).