Okay, I'll try to elaborate a little more -

The Elder Scrolls, much like our own universe, has several competing versions of current events and history. Much like on Earth, the version of the story that eventually becomes dominant isn't necessarily the entire story of what has happened. Some pieces of it are real, some are added on, some are slightly altered, and others are left out entirely because they don't fit the political climate.

Just write a story you love and which you find fascinating, and as long as you don't insert anything that blatantly doesn't belong in Tamriel don't worry about how Lore Friendly it is. It's a story, meaning it's true from a certain point of view, just like every other story set in Tamriel.

edit: Another way of looking at it is that the devs have given us bits and pieces of what happened in Morrowind, and we're free to flesh it out as we please. They're probably not going to come into your house and beat you with an iron staff or anything.

true, true, they probably won't... but the problem with us creative folks, or me at the very least, is that once you have an original idea on what to do, any additional improvising or any other changes to the original is, how do i put this, less than welcome unless i find a reasonable excuse to accept those changes. see, the intent was, in a way, to take what is given, and blow it up so to give us a bigger, brighter, more detailed picture of what is happening with the invasion... lol, i guess that's a job for the developers, not me... ok, well, at the very least, a story where this intent is implemented, to an extent that i'll find satisfactory.

example being the forementioned Telvanni. containing the gates is a job for wizards 'cause of the spells and all, so i figure it'd be logical and alright to fetch a Telvanni, them being mages and all, and put him or her in the middle of that fight, like, with the role of keeping the gate sealed with a spell of some sort that at the very least keeps the invading swarms from crossing through the gate if not a spell that closes the gate completely. but since Telvanni are so egotistic and the more altruistic one is not that likely to join as it was already said, the wizard-gate scheme fall to shambles or at the very least, takes a major set back 'cause now a new wizard from elsewhere needs to be found and it needs to be logical and moderately accurate for the world. Morrowind's mages guilds do not strike me as a place where wizards with such capabilities could be found.. that leaves a scarce if not severely limited cache of wizards to use. i mean, who else is fitting for such a task aside from making up a fake secret society of capable wizards or pulling in the other, well known wizards, into this? a minor stumbling block in a way of making progress with the wizard-gate thing, right? well, it looks more like a huge obstacle when more obviously likely candidates are not fitting for the task.

another thing is, where is the limit of how likely or unlikely a certain scenario, or perhaps a beat up and overdone cliche, is to happen in the world of Tamriel, especially in regard to this invasion and especially since it was such a disaster for Morrowind and a trumping success for the invading force?

nooo! don't sound so defeated! As a complete Redoran really devoted fan, I cannot comprehend your need to have silly wizards in the story
Can't you write about the courageous sacrifice of House Redoran? The other Houses being too slow or unwilling to respond seems like a great plot point to me. I mean, having wizards show up and save the day seems pretty incorrect in terms of lore anyway, considering the day wasn't saved...

wizards and warriors working together is just good story i think... look at LoTR.

its not so much about save the day as a whole, really. just some visible success in regards to a gate or two and how much success can warriors alone have when we are dealing with the gate here? aside from that, its not all about the gates... other things too... lol, this is becoming more about the story than Lore ... back to Lore, i say. hm, well, if there is not much else that can be said, i guess this can be left to die and slide to the back of the forum unless someone provides something else that is of relevant use or importance here and has to do with Lore.

Redoran employs several wizards, actually..a few healers, some enchanters and alchemists, and a sizeable legion of battlemages and spellswords. It's just good military tactics.

Don't forget, there are more than Redoran leaders and warriors, gallant though they are, in Ald'ruhn. There's a well-staffed Temple, including the Master Trainer of Conjuration. How do you suppose that they managed to resurrect the Emperor Crab in the first place? There's also a good Mages Guild, and I can't imagine Edwina letting an army of daedra mess around in *her* territory. And what about Buckmoth Fort? The Imperials aren't exactly slouches at defensive magic. You never know, some of those hard-working commoners around Ald'ruhn might have been studying up on magic as a hobby as well--certainly enough hostile critters around to practice Destruction on.

Be creative, have fun.

Manuel, I think that this is a great idea to write about. I myself am working on a fan-fiction on the same thing (my hero is Archmaster Nereverine of House Redoran). There is little information about what happened, as there were probably very few survivors. I'd say, as long as you can find a semi-plausible reason for what you want to write about, it's plausible enough, 'cause there's nothing to refute it.

I mean, heck, you could write about the Nereverine (I haven't called dibs, go ahead). It's only a vague rumor that he/she goes to Akavir. For all we know, they were planning on going to Akavir when these big ashen gates started popping up everywhere, so their plans were put on hold. Maybe Athyn Sarethi is much more of a BA than we thought (continuing to fight after Ald'Ruhn is destroyed). Maybe some passing Telvanni wizard got caught up in the fray - got thrown into the situation just like the CoC was. Literally almost anything would work. I say you're definitely on the right track.

yeah, but who is the one to assign dealing with the gate to? other thing i can do; its the gates i am unsure of. seems illogical that a commoner will have the necessary knowledge to close or contain the gate.

prayers to Nerevarine and Vivec go unsanswered... that does imply Nerevarine's absence to me, i donno.

i was going to use the idea of a single Telvanni joining the fight, was going to place him there in time for the attack and reason for Telavnni being there is because he was shopping .

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Wait so the Oblivion invansion in TESIV was much bigger than I thought? I thought it was just the legionaries were fighting on th border . I guess I have to read the imperial Library link that was shown I guess right?

Don't forget though, if we're going by the MK illo, "Prayers to Vivec and the Nerevarine go unanswered," which I find the most chilling line of all. The sense of utter betrayal the Redoran must have felt!



The Hope of the Redoran, who took a bully down with a club? You know it!

that does sound like something to write about, potential there...
ok, this one i am not getting... whats the idea behind here, what part of story or Lore that i am obviously missing?

It's one of the blunt weapon skillbooks from Morrowind, but I can't recall the name of it at the moment.

I think it's called "The Hope of the Redoran". It's about Athyn and his brother, and how a prophecy was made about the brother, something along the lines of "in battle, never will his blood be spilled". The brother became a sort of tyrant or evilish person, so Athyn confronted him in the Arena using nothing but a club. Athyn beat his brother to death, never spilling a drop of his blood. if you actually take the time to read it, you realize just who you're dealing with when looking for a Redoran sponsor. And when Athyn suggests that the PC would be a better Archmaster than Bolvyn Venim, you realize that he really means it.

I'm not forgetting, don't worry. My idea of the person being the Nereverine is that he/she'd be stranded once Ald'Ruhn (and probably Bal Isra by this point) was torn apart, and they'd be busy jumping in and out of gates during the Crisis. On top of this, this would get rid of the Nereverine for a future timeline if they were inside of a gate while the CoC ended the MQ back at the Imperial City - the Nereverine would be stuck in Oblivion..... which may make for a good story.....

Hm the Nereverine stuck in Oblivion interesting .......what if he/she meet the Champion of Cyrodil. But I'm confused about this Ald'Ruhn and Bal Isra thing.

The nevarine was 'safely' on his voyage to a land filles with talking snakes with arms, talking tigers who can sometimes turn into talking dragons, talking monkeys, and cold blooded demons. he was too busy to save me second favorate city in the game.

Perhaps he figured out that:

(1) With Vivec's disappearance and waning powers, Landfall was gonna happen sooner or later.
(2) The Septim Empire was coming to a close, at which things were going to get real ugly.
(3) He decided to see Akavir for himself. I think we all envy him in this regard.
(4) His immunity to disease ensured that he didn't have to worry about falling victim to a foreign disease.
(5) When Saint Jiub drove the cliffracers from Vvardenfell, they must have ended up somewhere. Somewhere the Dunmer did not care about.

You think Juib sent miniature dragons killers to the dragon land? but that actually is a good thought: Where the hell ARE the cliff racers? Argonia/black marsh? or Skyrim? They aren't in Cyrodil, and those are the only three bordering provence.

If they sent them to Black March it could explain why the Argonians were STILL pissed even after the end of slavery.

If they sent them to Skyrim then it makes sense why the nords attacked.

:rofl: "sir, Morrowind is using biological weapons against us! they chased these annoying beasts into our land"
"This means war! NOW!" :rofl:

wouldn't Cliff Racers freeze to death in Skyrim though? :unsure:

well.. there were lke 3000000000000000000000000000000000 in the ashlands... if they were sent to Skyrim then the redorans wouldn't have even HAD to fight the Nords: The nords would just all die. maybe Juib chased them all into an oblivion gate, and Mehrunes Dagon attacked to get away from them.

:rofl: ... sigged... for now at least.

Write the fic, it sounds cool.



Reading through this thread, I was thinking, Mages Guild! Have some random Telvanni(s) teleport there from Sadrith Mora to do magely, scholarly things (like, um, shopping!), and then Oblivion happens. Sure, as a house, the Telvanni might not hear news that Redoran's been attacked and bother helping out, but an individual Telvanni in the middle of the action might be more interested.

I think you're undervaluing teleportation here. Any Telvanni in the entire area of Ald-Ruhn for any reason, if it sees an Oblivion gate open up, might use Divine Intervention to get help/report what it saw/research Oblivion gates/buy more supplies before going in. Or recall to the area's only Guild of Mages, a logical place to have set a mark. And then it'd be right where the battle's happening.

Or you could write about Sadrith Mora and Ald-Ruhn as two events going on at the same time, connecting them as directly or indirectly as you want, and then you'd get Telvanni wizards and a giant crab.

There are tons of ways you can tell the story you want without bending lore.

Excellent idea...

Yes, remember those fine enchanters and alchemists under the giant mudcrab shell? It's not at all unrealistic to assume that occasionally a great Telvanni Mage-Lord or one of his retainers would shop at just such a place for amulets, scrolls, ingredients and other such magical items. There are House loyalties of course but why wouldn't they get the best deals and items available, even if a Redoran city proved to have better stuff?


I can imagine a powerful Sorcerer walking out into the open, his travel sack full of trinkets, scrolls and potions after a hard morning of shopping. He begins muttering an incantation to take himself back to Sadrith Mora when suddenly a portal to Oblivion rises from the earth and a massive siege engine appears. He has no love for the Redoran people, but the sight of innocent Dunmer women and children being overran by Dremora and Winged Twilights from the sky tears at even his heart strings. With a sigh and a grumble he drops his groceries and begins charging up an attack spell towards the nearest Daedra...

so where else at the same time as in Ald-Ruhn or in Morrowind in general, the invasion, or something similar, happens?