Aldermis, a myth?

Post » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:10 am

For lack of actual evidence, Aldmeris is considered to be a myth, and the Elder Scrolls even have no memory of it ever existing. But, what's the likely-hood (Aldmer being powerful mages and all) that their homeland was concealed from the scrolls knowledge by shadow magic, to protect it for some reason?
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Post » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:32 pm

The most popular theory is that the aldmeris is merely their memory of the dawn era, before the creation.
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Post » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:28 pm

The most popular theory is that the aldmeris is merely their memory of the dawn era, before the creation.
Ah I see. Does this mean that Aldmeri society existed in the dawn era and were shifted to the summerset isles by way of divine power, or that the Aldmer race begun it's physical existence in the summerset isles, and what they remember as Aldmeris is their spirit's existence beforehand?
Forgive me if I'm sounding silly, I've only been getting into the lore in a serious way in the last 2-3 weeks and just want some extended discussion about a whole bunch of stuff I'm not too sure on.
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Post » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:16 pm

their homeland was concealed from the scrolls knowledge by shadow magic, to protect it for some reason?
It is impossible for such a thing to be done. Not even the gods can prevent the Elder Scrolls from recording the truth of history. Just ask Nocturnal.
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Post » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:29 pm

Ah I see. Does this mean that Aldmeri society existed in the dawn era and were shifted to the summerset isles by way of divine power, or that the Aldmer race begun it's physical existence in the summerset isles, and what they remember as Aldmeris is their spirit's existence beforehand?
Forgive me if I'm sounding silly, I've only been getting into the lore in a serious way in the last 2-3 weeks and just want some extended discussion about a whole bunch of stuff I'm not too sure on.

Basically what the aldmer thought as aldmeris was their memory when they were still spirits.
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Post » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:44 am

Alternately, there might actually have been an Aldmeris. We don't know how much of the old "12 worlds of creation" is metaphorical, or how much of it refers to a non stable existence before time and space solidified. Some of it might actually be partially true. There's questions which still have no answer, such as the origins of the Hist and what their specific relation to the etAda and Ehlnofey might be, etc. This leaves wiggle room for Aldmeris being an actual place. If the Hist came from some where else, the Aldmer might have too.
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Post » Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:57 pm

Alternately, there might actually have been an Aldmeris. We don't know how much of the old "12 worlds of creation" is metaphorical, or how much of it refers to a non stable existence before time and space solidified. Some of it might actually be partially true. There's questions which still have no answer, such as the origins of the Hist and what their specific relation to the etAda and Ehlnofey might be, etc. This leaves wiggle room for Aldmeris being an actual place. If the Hist came from some where else, the Aldmer might have too.

Well.. true, maybe it sunk like Yokuda, just not recorded.
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Post » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:26 pm

Ah I see. Does this mean that Aldmeri society existed in the dawn era and were shifted to the summerset isles by way of divine power, or that the Aldmer race begun it's physical existence in the summerset isles, and what they remember as Aldmeris is their spirit's existence beforehand?
Forgive me if I'm sounding silly, I've only been getting into the lore in a serious way in the last 2-3 weeks and just want some extended discussion about a whole bunch of stuff I'm not too sure on.
During the Dawn Era time was nonlinear. All of those things and more are true. Aldmeris not existing except as allegory does have merit, but so does it actually existing (or it could be both, like Akavir).

I'll probably elabor/extra-polate when I wake up and am not sleep deprived with a knot in my back from flinging garbage filled with Mexican food from my second job.
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Post » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:09 am

(or it could be both, like Akavir).
Aldmeris as the Pangea-like super-continent prior to the shattering during the war of twilight.
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Post » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:35 pm

[edit: ^ that one. ninja]

On the twelve-sundered-worlds of the Anuad, it can go both ways (very true or not too true). As of the moment, I'm fond of supercontinental Tamriel. The idea that:
1) Aldmeris was indeed a real place --Tamriel
2) It shattered. During Godtime. And thus the ehlnofey wandered and changed
3) some pieces went craaaazy far away, like Yokuda or Atmora or Akavir.

And then there's the idea that, hey, maybe Akavir and Atmora were already there from "Last Time". Past worlds and Kalpa-talk and all that.
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Post » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:09 pm

It is impossible for such a thing to be done. Not even the gods can prevent the Elder Scrolls from recording the truth of history. Just ask Nocturnal.

Elder Scrolls draw a blank (literally!) on what happened when the Dragon Broke. Ergo, there is *something* that seems to prevent them from recording the truth. I put my guess on it being 'temporal nonlinearity.'
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Post » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:29 pm

Elder Scrolls draw a blank (literally!) on what happened when the Dragon Broke. Ergo, there is *something* that seems to prevent them from recording the truth. I put my guess on it being 'temporal nonlinearity.'

Interestingly, I found a book in Skyrim that claimed that the Middle Dawn never happened, and was a result of people misinterpreting what the Alessians meant by the word "year."
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Post » Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:36 pm

Interestingly, I found a book in Skyrim that claimed that the Middle Dawn never happened, and was a result of people misinterpreting what the Alessians meant by the word "year."

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Dragon_Break is originally a Morrowind book.
Dragon breaks are real, the events of Daggerfall leave no question about that.
The Alessian dragon break or Middle Dawn is an event recorded or remembered by many cultures.
The Dunmer claim they were immune to it because of the protection of AlmSiVi. (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Where_Were_You_..._Dragon_Broke)
Im afraid this book is a red herring, its a scholar trying to explain something that he himself does not understand.
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Post » Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:58 pm

Elder Scrolls draw a blank (literally!) on what happened when the Dragon Broke. Ergo, there is *something* that seems to prevent them from recording the truth. I put my guess on it being 'temporal nonlinearity.'
I don't recall from where that info comes; could have sworn that the Scrolls were Truth, in all and everything. I would agree with Merari, though. During the dragon break, no one had any idea what was happening, and The Historian was a fledgling occupation. Whether or not the years were wrong, or how obsessed Tamriel was with the psychomechanaut godwalker, the dragon break did happen. Maybe it was a Time-thingy, and how appropriate; the dragon was broken afterall.

Maybe as a product of post-convention, there's no comprehensible recording of any Dawn Era, Middle or otherwise. To note though, I might be missing something quite obvious.


On a fun note
Aldermis, a myth?

Aldermatitis, the holygolden Jaundice! Suffered by the High Elves, rebuked by Dark Elves.
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Post » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:47 am

Elder Scrolls draw a blank (literally!) on what happened when the Dragon Broke. Ergo, there is *something* that seems to prevent them from recording the truth. I put my guess on it being 'temporal nonlinearity.'
There's a difference between being prevented from recording something and having nothing to record.
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Post » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:18 pm

Well all the elves allegedly came from there, and since there are elves, and no other original "source" of them I am assuming Aldmeris is real. I however don't think it is a continent but a separate realm where the elves first came to be. It would be the equivalent of the garden of eden.
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Post » Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:13 pm

I thought Aldmeris was Tamriel :shrug:
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Post » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:43 am

...I however don't think it is a continent but a separate realm where the elves first came to be...

That also somewhere along the lines of what I thought it was.

But then that makes me wonder, did the Aldmer actually go to Alinor from a different location on Tamriel, or did they "appear" on the Isles from Aldermis
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Post » Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:13 pm

its a scholar trying to explain something that he himself does not understand.

Ah... kinda like all of us, or the gamesas devs?
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Post » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:52 am

I thought Aldmeris was Tamriel :shrug:
That's what I think too. Tamriel before the war that wrecked the surface of Nirn.
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Post » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:32 am

Well all the elves allegedly came from there, and since there are elves, and no other original "source" of them I am assuming Aldmeris is real. I however don't think it is a continent but a separate realm where the elves first came to be. It would be the equivalent of the garden of eden.

They don't. They tried to sail there.
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Post » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:31 pm

I don't recall from where that info comes; could have sworn that the Scrolls were Truth, in all and everything. I would agree with Merari, though. During the dragon break, no one had any idea what was happening, and The Historian was a fledgling occupation. Whether or not the years were wrong, or how obsessed Tamriel was with the psychomechanaut godwalker, the dragon break did happen. Maybe it was a Time-thingy, and how appropriate; the dragon was broken afterall.

"Where were You When the Dragon Broke."

Precise text:
"No one understands what happened when the Selectives danced on that tower. It would be easy to dismiss the whole matter as nonsense were it not for the http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Amulet_of_Kings. Even the Elder Scrolls do not mention it -- let me correct myself, the http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Elder_Scrolls cannot mention it. When the http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Cult_of_the_Ancestor_Moth attune the Scrolls to the timeless time their glyphs always disappear The http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Amulet_of_Kings, however, with its oversoul of emperors, can speak of it at length.
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