Aldmeri Dominion

Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:08 am

I have a few questions about the 'Aldmeri Dominion'

1. Why do they dislike Talos?
2. Do they 'Rule' the Empire now? (I heard from rumors and books all of Skyrim)
3. Are they out to destroy all Men?
4. Are the other Elves assisting them in genocide of Man?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:40 am

1. Because he is a mortal who has ascended to godhood. More so, he is a man who has ascended to godhood.
2. No, they don't rule it, but they are certainly calling the shots at the moment. However the Empire isn't a client state just yet.
3. Not just men, but Nirn itself. They percieve mortality as an insult to their spirits.
4. They haven't started the genocide of man yet (afaik), but should they conquer the Empire, it'll be sure to start. They have committed genocide on the wood elves when they were conquered because they wouldn't fall in line. So I suppose you could say that those they didn't kill, will be sure to join in, once it get's under way. As far as Elves from different regions (i.e Orcs and Dunmer) no, they don't much like the Aldmeri much either and vice versa.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:53 am

Do the Aldmeri believe they're immortal? I mean if they want to get rid of mortals they should also be getting rid of themselves, no?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:35 pm

1. He's holding the world together. The Altmer don't like the world. It's where their parents died, and where they first projectile vomitted.
2. No, but they got some pretty damn sweet terms in the treaty that ended the great war.
3. What Dovahkiin said. If they succeed, everyone will become an immortal spirit.
4. The Bosmer and the Khajiit (technically elves) are aiding the Thalmor at the moment.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:00 am

Do the Aldmeri believe they're immortal? I mean if they want to get rid of mortals they should also be getting rid of themselves, no?


Yes, they want to die, but they also want to destroy Nirn, to make sure the don't come back.


@Minotaur-The Khajiit are elves? That's news to me!
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:19 am

Do the Aldmeri believe they're immortal? I mean if they want to get rid of mortals they should also be getting rid of themselves, no?

No. The Altmer are well aware of their mortality. What they want to do is get rid of mortality as a condition. They want to reclaim the mantle of imperishable spirit, and as part of that, they need to remove Talos from the mythic, destroy the possibility of men (they'd just bring mortality back), and then blow up the world and unbind the time dragon.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:39 pm

Do the Aldmeri believe they're immortal? I mean if they want to get rid of mortals they should also be getting rid of themselves, no?

They believe that their souls (like everyone's) are immortal, and will survive the end of the world.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:39 pm

So, The Almderi support Alduin, because he wishes to destroy the world as well?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:30 am

So, The Almderi support Alduin, because he wishes to destroy the world as well?

In this case, Alduin completely blindsided the Thalmor. They didn't even know he was going to show up. But the thing with Alduin is that if the Kalpa ends too early, Shor is just going to make the mortal world again in the next one. They still need time to win.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:32 am

I'd say so, if this was a month before release. Now, I dunno what to think!

EDIT: Going to go with DarthRavanger. Their plans seems to be
1) Remove mankind from the realm of possibility (and by extension, Shor, Talos, and anyone else with an inkling of following these two gods)
2) Destroy the world
3) ???
4) Profit!
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:37 am

So, The Almderi support Alduin, because he wishes to destroy the world as well?


Indeed. I think we are still to yet get to the bottom of how Alduin came back. He was locked in time via the elder scroll, but was set loose once more. I'm pretty certain that that hasn't been explained away yet, unless I've missed something or it's part of some other quest I haven't completed yet?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:09 pm

They still need time to win.

That's such a cool pun.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:43 am

Ahh I see. So if you'd like to save the world, then destroy the Thalmor.


Off-Topic Question: I may feel dumb for asking this, because I'm sure it pops up alot on the Forums and in the game.
But, where is Alduin come from? I know he's Akatosh's first born dragon. So did he come from the sky or...?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:05 am

He came from when Beth didn't want to make Akatosh an inkling amount of evil, and possibly remove the insane dragon of time portion. However, there's still Auriel, who is quite anti-Mundus. Unless they retconned that, which then makes no sense. (jaded post done)

As to where, like with the et'Ada he's just "is." Guess you could say when Padomay and Anu kept headbutting each other.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:59 am

Ahh I see. So if you'd like to save the world, then destroy the Thalmor.


Off-Topic Question: I may feel dumb for asking this, because I'm sure it pops up alot on the Forums and in the game.
But, where is Alduin come from? I know he's Akatosh's first born dragon. So did he come from the sky or...?

He's older than the sky.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:04 pm

But if the destroyed world just creates another one after it , whats the point?

Do the Altmer plan to BOTH destroy the world AND to stop it from "respawning"?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:44 am

But if the destroyed world just creates another one after it , whats the point?

Do the Altmer plan to BOTH destroy the world AND to stop it from "respawning"?

Yes. That's why man needs to be removed from the pattern of possibility. As long as men and their god, Lorkhan can exist, there's always risk of Mundus. As such, one of their objectives is to remove the possibility of Men.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:48 am

Or that is what would have happened,
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except Bethesda thought it best to regulate the kalpa to two lines of dialogue and remove Alduin's connection to Auriel/Akatosh (or at least make it so unnoticeable only a lore buff would connect it). Even then, it still seems like we're making up excuses. Bethesda thought Alduin is Akatosh would hurt people's brains, so they removed it.

The Civil War questline, as well as the Great War, had so much better lore (and speaks more about Nordic culture than [censored] Alduin) than the MQ it really should have been the MQ itself. That way they could focus more on the Nordic pantheon in the Old Holds compared to the more Imperialized everyone else. They have the secular culture down, but it's missing religion. Instead of trying to write an epic story then suddenly remove what makes it interesting.

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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:26 am

I have a few questions about the 'Aldmeri Dominion'

1. Why do they dislike Talos?
2. Do they 'Rule' the Empire now? (I heard from rumors and books all of Skyrim)
3. Are they out to destroy all Men?
4. Are the other Elves assisting them in genocide of Man?


1. He mantled Lorkhan. He violated their sacred isle. He binds them to the mundus. etc, etc. He's done a lot of bad things to them.
2. Nope. Their agents have free reign in the Empire, and they can extort considerable pressure on the Empire, however.
3. No, they are out to free all men from their mortal chains. By destroying them.
4. All of the others elves except the Dunmer.

Why do people think destroying the world is such a bad thing just because of the video game 'hero saves the word' cliche? It would be refreshing for the hero to do a positive thing by destroying the world.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:32 pm

Why do people think destroying the world is such a bad thing just because of the video game 'hero saves the word' cliche? It would be refreshing for the hero to do a positive thing by destroying the world.


Because the world is a fine place, and worth fighting for. *Hemingwaygasm*
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:11 am

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except Bethesda thought it best to regulate the kalpa to two lines of dialogue and remove Alduin's connection to Auriel/Akatosh (or at least make it so unnoticeable only a lore buff would connect it). Even then, it still seems like we're making up excuses. Bethesda thought Alduin is Akatosh would hurt people's brains, so they removed it.

The Civil War questline, as well as the Great War, had so much better lore (and speaks more about Nordic culture than [censored] Alduin) than the MQ it really should have been the MQ itself. That way they could focus more on the Nordic pantheon in the Old Holds compared to the more Imperialized everyone else. They have the secular culture down, but it's missing religion. Instead of trying to write an epic story then suddenly remove what makes it interesting.



I remember reading a few years back that the aspects of gods could plot against each other (i.e. Alduin could hate Akatosh and try to sabotage him). However, I don't remember if it was supplied before or after Oblivion's release.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:52 pm

Because the world is a fine place, and worth fighting for. *Hemingwaygasm*


In Tamriel you can get anyone you want murdered by two legal assassin organization, organized crimes runs entire cities, there is constant war, violence, murder, corruption, bandits and other criminals run the countryside of most countries. There is pain, grief, suffering and death, all remember and expected in a linear pattern. There is the knowledge that you will die, and your body will decay.

Compare this to an immortal, spirit state of being, which, I admit, we don't know much about. Sounds a lot better than the world of Tamriel as it is.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:35 pm

In Tamriel you can get anyone you want murdered by two legal assassin organization, organized crimes runs entire cities, there is constant war, violence, murder, corruption, bandits and other criminals run the countryside of most countries. There is pain, grief, suffering and death, all remember and expected in a linear pattern. There is the knowledge that you will die, and your body will decay.

Compare this to an immortal, spirit state of being, which, I admit, we don't know much about. Sounds a lot better than the world of Tamriel as it is.


To be nitpicky, I think only one assassination organization is legally sanctioned, and even then it is only allowed in a province that has been all but destroyed.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:23 pm

In Tamriel you can get anyone you want murdered by two legal assassin organization, organized crimes runs entire cities, there is constant war, violence, murder, corruption, bandits and other criminals run the countryside of most countries. There is pain, grief, suffering and death, all remember and expected in a linear pattern. There is the knowledge that you will die, and your body will decay.

Compare this to an immortal, spirit state of being, which, I admit, we don't know much about. Sounds a lot better than the world of Tamriel as it is.


Honest-to-numinous-goodness capital-T Transcendence comes with maturity, coming to terms with the iniquities of the world and then setting them aside. That may be a too-bitter pill to swallow, but that that is the path of true wisdom; that is the path of the heroes.

The Thalmori goal is Infantilism-worse-than-death: the saccharine lie that there's safe harbor to be found crawling back up inside mommy's womb.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:02 pm

Honest-to-numinous-goodness capital-T Transcendence comes with maturity, coming to terms with the iniquities of the world and then setting them aside. That may be a too-bitter pill to swallow, but that that is the path of true wisdom; that is the path of the heroes.

The Thalmori goal is Infantilism-worse-than-death: the saccharine lie that there's safe harbor to be found crawling back up inside mommy's womb.
Couldn't have said it better. Mainly because I'd use crude terms.
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