Is Alduin Akatosh or his son? : V

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:55 am

A certain someone tells you later on that alduin is akatoshs first born son but then the lore ive read on the internet says alduin is just what the nords named akatosh

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:20 pm

"He claims to be the Avatar and First-Born of Akatosh" unofficial elder scrolls pages wiki

"Alduin is the Nordic opposite of Akatosh, and only superficially resembles his counterpart in the Nine Divines." The Elder Scrolls Wiki

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:07 am

I'm also confused.

Apparently Akatosh saved your ass back in Oblivion , but then comes back in Skyrim and suddenly wants to swallow the entire world?

Well I never, a bipolar god!

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:14 am

Alduin is like Jesus. Some people say he's the son of akatosh, some people say he is akatosh. All from point of view

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:57 am

Both. He's Jesus Christ.

EDIT: Dammit, ninja'd, and I thought I was being clever with that metaphor.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:52 am

you'd get better answers in the lore forum, but i don't know. I really wanted akatosh to be some dual god of time, symbolising the forever aspect of time for the empire, and being the time as a destroyer for the nords...sadly it appears that aludin was attempting to mantle aka...which makes little sense because the nords knew of aludin before aka was created

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:11 pm

Akatosh created the world and Alduin comes to destroy it, only for Akatosh to create a new one, and Alduin to destroy that, etc. etc. etc.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:55 am

He is god

-Cheers

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:29 am

It's also important to keep in mind that the game devs love to create ambiguity exactly like this. They've done it in all the Elder Scrolls games, and TES lore is replete with examples of "No, this is how it really happened." Examples include the Battle at Red Mountain, Lorkhan/Shor's hand in creation, and the Dragon Break.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:34 am

I believe that Alduin is the firstborn son of Akatosh, he himself tells you that, as does Odhaviing at the end of the game.
In a way he may be considered a part of Akatosh, a wayward fragment, but I don't believe them to be the same entity.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:44 am

From the UESP article on Akatosh:

Akatosh (Auri-El to the Aldmer[1] and Alduin to the Nords[2])

Seems like they're the same, some kind of dual god?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:47 pm

They are the same. No more than Zeus being Jupiter.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:10 am

Akatosh created the world and Alduin comes to destroy it, only for Akatosh to create a new one, and Alduin to destroy that, etc. etc. etc.

this is true, he is bound to eat the world (litteraly) by shor i think, but im not entirly up to date on the lore, and aludin is the nordic perception of akatosh i think

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:45 am

Lore tends to get muddy in a setting where it's claimed between the lines that Vivec had access to the Construction Kit.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:41 am

this is true, he is bound to eat the world (litteraly) by shor i think, but im not entirly up to date on the lore, and aludin is the nordic perception of akatosh i think

Akatosh is one of the Divines, who takes the form of a dragon.
Alduin is a dragon, who was leader of the dragons who ruled Skyrim Eras beforehand.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:41 am

Akatosh is one of the Divines, who takes the form of a dragon.
Alduin is a dragon, who was leader of the dragons who ruled Skyrim Eras beforehand.

nope, alduin is the nordic aspect of akatosh who is bound to devour the world at the end of every kappa

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:22 pm

Akatosh is one of the Divines, who takes the form of a dragon.
Alduin is a dragon, who was leader of the dragons who ruled Skyrim Eras beforehand.

Which is the same entity.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:10 am

Which is the same entity.

According to one in-universe scholar. Not objective fact.

The source of the Alduin is Akatosh idea is a book titled something to that effect. All books in-game are in-setting and suffer from perspectives, speculation, and misinformation.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:14 am

Boy after reading some of these comments I now know I need to get caught up on my lore lol

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:29 pm

It says right in the game by Alduin himself that he is the eldest son of Akatosh and this is also sated by Odahviing.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:00 am

According to one in-universe scholar. Not objective fact.

The source of the Alduin is Akatosh idea is a book titled something to that effect. All books in-game are in-setting and suffer from perspectives, speculation, and misinformation.

As does most lore. All lore before Sky says they are the same. Different interpretations of the same entity. Which makes way more sense than another Aedra running around.

Every race has their own names for most Aedra. Alduin being Akatosh is no different than Kyne being Kynareth.

And what isn't speculation of subjective is the fact that the Imperial pantheon is filled with conglomerated Aedra from other polytheistic followings. Further supporting the fact that these are all the same deity. Just like how you get similar ideologies (great floods, etc.) around the world in real life.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:35 am

Well, it would make sense that the God of Time is the one that ends time, or turns the sand watch. The World Eater Alduin could be just one of his aspects or avatars.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:50 am

Yea, except

Spoiler

You kill Alduin deader than he has ever been before, and the Temple of Akatosh still works fine for blessings.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:58 am

He is god

-Cheers

This. He's the alpha and omega, the creator and the destroying, the nurturer and the tormentor.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:48 am

Yea, except

Spoiler

You kill Alduin deader than he has ever been before, and the Temple of Akatosh still works fine for blessings.

You cant kill Aedra. They just come back in a different form, like Ysmir Wulfharth.