Yeah they aren't killed their body is destroyed. The only way for alduin to have been killed is if his soul was to be absorbed, which it wasn't. The difference between daedra and aedra(the nine or eight divines) is that daedra can rebuild their bodies in oblivion. It has never been shown or mentioned if or how an adrea can rebuild their body.

I know what you mean and do agree with you. I play with deadly dragons mod to give dragons that extra strength I think they need. The problem comes in that some people don't want to have to constantly fight dragons and worry about them. Beth had to take into consideration the people who want to just wonder about and do other missions. Sure you could always ignore the main quest, but I'm sure there are many who want to do the main quest as well as other parts of the game in the same character. It is not like oblivion in which the threat ended after the main quest ended, dragons remain after the quest.

Neither was Alduin. The dragonborn didn't absorb his soul.

'Even the daedra fear me'

great this is like another version of the Dragonborn vs CoC

They can't be compared correctly because the nature of their existence is different. Daedric Princes has their existence and power based on the Oblivion when Alduins existence and power is based on Mundus and mortal souls. So on Mundus Alduin is superior to Daedric Princes but on Oblivion Daedric Princes will have greater power than Alduin. Alduin is World-Eater but he is not Oblivion-Eater

Alduin is no mere dragon, he's the World-Eater, the Destructive Aspect of the Dragon-God[of Time].
And he's said to eat the world[Universe, not Tamriel] "many times before"...therefore we have kalpas etc.

And he wasn't killed - just "delayed in time" because he's "everytime and no-time" itself. Remeber that dragons aren't just a big scaly lizards, just as a Moons and planets and stars etc - aren't RL adequate, they're just what the mortal races could comprehend.

Also Dovahiin is not a mere mortal, he's an amalganation of numerous dragon souls, probably going to ascend to godhood himself.

He's the Universe Eater - I would recommend you to read some lore about the concept of "kalpa".

Ahhh... not familiar with TES lore, are you? There is a *LOT* of conjecture. It is all intentionally nebulous.

The prevailing theory is that Alduin is a fragment of Akatosh that managed to escape binding when the Mundus was formed.

The wierd thing is that neither the Princes nor the Divines seem to give a rip about Alduins return.

Considering that the dragonborn is almost at half of Daderic prince power and that Alduin was defeated by the dragonborn, all I can say is Alduin is just a dragon who took a few steroids.

Thank you for this. I read about it a little more. Anyway the articles about it in uesp.net were kind of abstruse and hard to understand. The biggest difficult I had with the word "kalpa" it says nothing to me and none of dictionaries I checked were able to translate it to my own language. So please can you explain to me what "kalpa" exactly means?

Daedric Lord > Alduin

Me > Gods

Alduin is much, much bigger than Dagon, but both are immortal (afaik). Alduin can humiliate Dagon, but I don't think either would permanently die. Unless Alduin overeats? Doesn't make a lot of sense though. http://www.imperial-library.info/content/seven-fights-aldudagga

I guess Alduin can only die by being tricked into killing himself.

Daedric Prince is more powerful. It took Akatosh to banish Mehrunes Dagon at the end of the Oblivion Crisis, and even then, Akatosh was mortally wounded in the fight. Alduin, who claims to be the First Born of Akatosh, is nowhere near the power of Akatosh. It took Vivec, Almalexia and Sotha Sil (3 Gods) working together to banish Mehrunes Dagon from Mundas, even then, they couldn't stop Mehrunes Dagon before he destroyed the original Mournhold.

The only reason the CoC was able to defeat Jyggalag at the end of Shivering Isles, was because not only was the CoC in the proccess of Mantling (becoming a god), but Jyggalag was also not at his full power. He had just physically manifested and was still in a weakened state, he hadn't had time to consolidate his power yet. Jyggalag in his prime however, was easily the most powerful of the Daedric Princes, it took all the other Daedric Princes banding together against him in order to defeat him, and even, they couldn't destroy him, only imprison him within the cage of the Sheogorath Curse. Jyggalag in his prime, would've curb stomped Alduin.

The problem with this debate is that we don't know enough about Alduin to make a definite statement of his power. We know plenty about Daedric princes, the extent of their power and even hints of their origin. Skyrim however seems content on making Alduin and his origins very cryptic and somewhat of a mystery.

Alduin is very powerful, but we have no way of knowing aside from personal opinion if he is stronger than a prince due to a lack of information.


Also this is not true, Akatosh himself did not appear in full form to banish Dagon, Martin became an Avatar of Akatosh, not the real deal.

Basically: learned from this: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/world-eating-101
the exact quote:[indent]
"Assume "The Dawn Era was the End of the Previous Kalpa. The new Kalpa begins with the first day of the Merethic Era."
Then put on your lore-hats and start looking hard at the ramifications of that."[/indent]

The Things(everything) are reborn, but they're not the same as before, they have some changes. These, even microscopic difference, through the countless cycles rise to the enormous size
like: In the previous Kalpa(Gods know when and in what kalpa) Molag Bal was a Dreugh Warlord. And now he's a Daedric Prince.

And at the end and start of each kalpa, stands destruction, that, currently is in shape of Alduin:d
I explained it as easy as I could. If I get toocomplicated I will lose my precious mind:D

You explained it quite well. Anyway even if I'm understanding the idea of Kalpas the whole idea of such cycles is just preposterous and absurd. You may have that kind of thing in videogame but it's still something you don't want to think about. I'll just say time is spherical and that's enough for me.

The last time we had this kind of thread, we all agreed on the question being the same as "Lion or shark - Who is going to win?" and everybody was happy.

Alduin in lore every time Alduin comes and destroys the world he kills the daedric princes then it all starts over again Dagon has tried to stop Alduin before but Alduin punished him for it and another cycle began.

Alduin was killed, so a Daedric Prince at least has the edge of being immortal. The way I see it, Alduin gets one shot, but a Daedra can always come back for more.

NO Alduin is immortal too, all dragons are the catch is the dovahkiin can absorb their souls which kills them for good but one thing notice how at the end you don't really absorb Alduin's soul like you do other dragons something to think about maybe he can't be killed by a dovahkiin.

Jyggalag wasn't at full power and you were in the process of becoming sheogorath.

Alduin. He's the first born of Akatosh and since he's descended from an Aedra, that sort of makes him an Aedra as well. Considering that an Aedra defeated Mehrunes in Oblivion, then I'd say Alduin would win. Not to mention that Daedric Princes are all varying in power so a weak Prince would be totally demolished and sent into the Void for a few centuries, stronger Princes may just survive.

Besides, isn't it that Anu defeated Padomay? Anu being the original being that the Aedra came from and Padomay the being that the Daedra came from? Correct me if I'm wrong.