Alduin vs Daedric Prince : V

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:35 am

I was just curious about Alduin power in comparison to the power of a daedric lord. The game makes me think that alduin is actually a deity well above and completely different in nature to other dragons. Like think how there are constant conflicting details to him taking the form of a dragon and actually being a dragon. It sounds to me like he might actually be something along the lines of an aedra with draconic personalyity traits, and if he were to get into a fight with say Mehrunes Dagon who would win?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:09 am

It depends if Alduin was in the prince realm or not. If it was in Tamriel Alduin would win hands down.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:58 pm

Spoiler

A dragon has defeated a Daedric Prince before.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:15 am

Mehrunes. Both times Mehrunes appeared - it took the power of a god to banish (not destroy) him. Alduin was destroyed by a mere mortal.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:43 pm

It depends if Alduin was in the prince realm or not. If it was in Tamriel Alduin would win hands down.

Does that mean

Spoiler

if Dovahkiin>Alduin & Alduin>Daedric Prince that Dovahkiin>Daedric Prince?!?!

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:20 pm

Alduin is to Akatosh and the Aedra as a lesser Daedra would be compared to a Prince. The Aedra and Daedra have different nature, but that nature could still be considered as a lesser immortal as a lesser Daedra is.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:17 pm

Does that mean

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if Dovahkiin>Alduin & Alduin>Daedric Prince that Dovahkiin>Daedric Prince?!?!

It means that

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Dovahkiin has the power to kill dragons by absorbing their souls, although you could only kill Alduin IN sovengard. But imagine if Alduin, just a dragon, was in a God's realm where they had infinite power. Daedric Prince > Alduin IF in their realm

Mehrunes. Both times Mehrunes appeared - it took the power of a god to banish (not destroy) him. Alduin was destroyed by a mere mortal.

But there it was Akatosh that banished Mehrunes. Alduin is just an overpowered Dragon and not a god

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:13 am

This here is a great question and I wonder if Alduin is actually really completely and utterly destroyed.

I might have to go with the Daedra Princes any one of them they cannot properly be killed.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:57 am

Alduin was destroyed by a mere mortal.

Spoiler

So was Jyggalag

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:20 pm

Spoiler

A dragon has defeated a Daedric Prince before.

Defeated yes, eliminated totally. No!

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:58 pm

Considering that the player can beat Alduin before level 10, I don't think he's much of a threat to anyone or anything, let alone the nearest bandit fort. :biggrin:

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:51 pm

I'm not sure that any being can actually be annihilated completely. Hell, Lorkhan was an Aedra and supposedly killed, but he's certainly not destroyed in the sense of being no longer in existence at all.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:22 am

Not sure, but Alduin eats every Daedric Prince every Kalpa. And lets not forget that Alduin cursed Mehrunes making him beg like a whip for it to be lifted. I'd place my bet on Alduin 100%.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:03 pm

Well considering daedric princes cant fully enter tamriel, but if they could alduin would be destroyed.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:39 am

Mehrunes. Both times Mehrunes appeared - it took the power of a god to banish (not destroy) him. Alduin was destroyed by a mere mortal.

Alduin IS a god. The first born son of Akatosh and Kyne. Unless you know Dragon Rend, he's utterly invulnerable. And we didn't kill him. We simply destroyed his physical form. You don't absorb his soul wich means He'll likely return again one day when the world is fated to die. -shrugs- but thats all game lore and hypothosis. In a physical fight my money is on Alduin. Just don't ever get into a riddle contest with Azura.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:40 pm

Spoiler

So was Jyggalag

A mortal who had undergone apotheosis, and therefore was no longer mortal.

Alduin IS a god. The first born son of Akatosh and Kyne. Unless you know Dragon Rend, he's utterly invulnerable. And we didn't kill him. We simply destroyed his physical form.

Alduin is no god, and is definitely not the firstborn of Kyne. I also don't take his statement that's he the firstborn of Akatosh literally.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:56 pm

Considering Alduin is a punk ass [censored] who can be easily defeated on master without smithing your gear, I would have to go with a Daedric Prince. Or a lesser Daerdra - even a scamp.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:33 am

Has anypne consider the fact that the alduin we seen may have only been a shade of his true power. Remember he did go to sovangard to feed on souls to restore his power. He may or may not have been finished feeding when the dovakin interrupts him. I would assume he was not finished since he is the one destined to destroy the world which is a feat non have been able to accomplish thus far. He was never absorbed so he is probably waiting where the other adrea are.(not sure where that is)

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:03 am

A mortal who had undergone apotheosis, and therefore was no longer mortal.

But isn't the dragonborn greater than a mere mortal. If talos accended than why can't our dovakin.

Alduin is no god, and is definitely not the firstborn of Kyne. I also don't take his statement that's he the firstborn of Akatosh literally.

Why? He was ruler of the dragons and I don't recall any mention of someone else being akatosh's first born. As for kyne I did not know she was even involved with dragons so I'm not sure about that.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:14 pm

Has anypne consider the fact that the alduin we seen may have only been a shade of his true power. Remember he did go to sovangard to feed on souls to restore his power. He may or may not have been finished feeding when the dovakin interrupts him. I would assume he was not finished since he is the one destined to destroy the world which is a feat non have been able to accomplish thus far. He was never absorbed so he is probably waiting where the other adrea are.(not sure where that is)

Nope. He gains his power from stolen life / soul? energy. Methinks he dissipates the way he does is due to that very fact, though it doesn't explain why it takes a dovahkin to defeat him when any Joe Schmoe armed with Dragonrend should have been able to deal with him. However, let's leave that plothole for another thread.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:44 am

The fact that you must be dragon born to kill dragons says alot.
In tamriel, yes Alduin definitely, mainly because he cannot be killed by anyone but a dragon born.
If you kill him, he is still alive, and can come back alive again, and again, and again. You have to absorb the soul of the dragon for them to be dead permanently.

Dragonborn mabye mortal but he is still the only one with the power to stop dragons.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:16 am

Considering that the player can beat Alduin before level 10, I don't think he's much of a threat to anyone or anything, let alone the nearest bandit fort. :biggrin:

If Mehrunes Dagon is made the boss in Oblivion for the PC to slay (and not for script defeat) - he would have shared Alduin's fate if not worse :devil:

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:55 am

The fact that you must be dragon born to kill dragons says alot.
In tamriel, yes Alduin definitely, mainly because he cannot be killed by anyone but a dragon born.
If you kill him, he is still alive, and can come back alive again, and again, and again. You have to absorb the soul of the dragon for them to be dead permanently.

Dragonborn mabye mortal but he is still the only one with the power to stop dragons.

I honestly found it difficult to see the dragons as any kind of legitimate threat. They're disorganized, unloyal, incredibly weak once grounded, do not make use of their "legendary" shouting powers, and their leader was an incompetent fool who missed at least three opportunities to put down the only thing that could allegedly stand in his way.

As it Implies their primary combat tactic is meant to consist of throwing themselves at the enemy repeatedly in the hopes of whittling them down due to being renewable unless slain by a dragonborn, I am not impressed.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:26 pm

Nope. He gains his power from stolen life / soul? energy. Methinks he dissipates the way he does is due to that very fact, though it doesn't explain why it takes a dovahkin to defeat him when any Joe Schmoe armed with Dragonrend should have been able to deal with him. However, let's leave that plothole for another thread.

We seen what occurs when any "Joe Schmoe" attempts to fight him with dragonrend, they get easily overpowered. As for the first part, I'm a bit confused with what you are saying, I apologize but can you please elaborate?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:25 am

I honestly found it difficult to see the dragons as any kind of legitimate threat. They're disorganized, unloyal, incredibly weak once grounded, do not make use of their "legendary" shouting powers, and their leader was an incompetent fool who missed at least three opportunities to put down the only thing that could allegedly stand in his way.

As it Implies their primary combat tactic is meant to consist of throwing themselves at the enemy repeatedly in the hopes of whittling them down due to being renewable unless slain by a dragonborn, I am not impressed.

I think combat AI=/=true lore combat potential of dragons