Alduin's Return, wait, why? : V - Skyrim

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:45 pm

A bit off topic, but Deathwing's full name is Neltharion. He was re-named Deathwing because he was corrupted and became the dragon aspect of death.

Other than that they are both big bad dragon guys, there is nothing similar about them.

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:59 pm

being both cause and effect, creator and destroyer, may not make much sense to our limited temporally linear senses, but seen from the meta-dimensional it makes perfect sense. A pleasing symmetry.

Time is a wheel. Time creates the world, or the place in wich the world has probability to condense out of the chaos, and when the wheel goes round again, it eats the world.
This probably needs to happen so the world can exist at all. If it wasnt recycled in this manner, it would wear out and dim and become dead.

So, since a Daedra (Mehrunes in Oblvion) suffered a defeat Alduin/Akatosh (an Aedra) must also be defeatd? interesting theory

» Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:50 am

So, since a Daedra (Mehrunes in Oblvion) suffered a defeat Alduin/Akatosh (an Aedra) must also be defeatd? interesting theory

Dagon just wants to destroy all those places he hid from being eaten the previous kalpas, and stuck onto the world in new kalpas. To make them bigger, so the eating takes longer and he has longer life-time.
That plan backfired, so he was cursed to become Mehrunes Dagon and try and undo the works he made as a leaper demon.
He just wants to jump again.

This would mean that Alduin/Akatosh (seemingly) worked against himself/ his purpose. But that should be no great mind boggler.
After all, our own christian culture has something very much like it in the form of the devil.
It goes like this:
1) God is the greatest, there is nothing greater than God.
2) Therefore there is nothing outside God. If there would be then something would be greater than God, namely God + that outside him.
3) Everything is part of God.
4) Therefore the devil is a part of God.
5) The devil is a part of God that to our limited understanding seems to strive against itself.

So a god that (to our eyes) tries to undo his own works is perfectly logical, from a god-place point of view.

» Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:50 am

He ran out of skooma

» Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:16 am

being both cause and effect, creator and destroyer, may not make much sense to our limited temporally linear senses, but seen from the meta-dimensional it makes perfect sense. A pleasing symmetry.

Time is a wheel. Time creates the world, or the place in wich the world has probability to condense out of the chaos, and when the wheel goes round again, it eats the world.
This probably needs to happen so the world can exist at all. If it wasnt recycled in this manner, it would wear out and dim and become dead.

I like this.

» Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:39 am

Dagon just wants to destroy all those places he hid from being eaten the previous kalpas, and stuck onto the world in new kalpas. To make them bigger, so the eating takes longer and he has longer life-time.
That plan backfired, so he was cursed to become Mehrunes Dagon and try and undo the works he made as a leaper demon.
He just wants to jump again.

This would mean that Alduin/Akatosh (seemingly) worked against himself/ his purpose. But that should be no great mind boggler.
After all, our own cristian culture has something very much like it in the form of the devil.
It goes like this:
1) God is the greatest, there is nothing greater than God.
2) Therefore there is nothing outside God. If there would be then something would be greater than God, namely God + that outside him.
3) Everything is part of God.
4) Therefore the devil is a part of God.
5) The devil is a part of God that to our limited understanding seems to strive against itself.

So a god that (to our eyes) tries to undo his own works is perfectly logical, from a god-place point of view.

Makes sense to me.

» Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:56 am

being both cause and effect, creator and destroyer, may not make much sense to our limited temporally linear senses, but seen from the meta-dimensional it makes perfect sense. A pleasing symmetry.

Time is a wheel. Time creates the world, or the place in wich the world has probability to condense out of the chaos, and when the wheel goes round again, it eats the world.
This probably needs to happen so the world can exist at all. If it wasnt recycled in this manner, it would wear out and dim and become dead.

Then what's the point in stopping him?

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:57 pm

Then what's the point in stopping him?

IMO the people of Tamriel and Nirn aren't going to be able to fully grasp the concept that them being destroyed is just a cycle of life. They're are more concerned with living

» Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:20 pm

Then what's the point in stopping him?

Exactly. I always roleplay an Altmer, and if Im correct on this I would prefer to side with the dragons.

What would be the point for us, is not being eaten/destroyed. From a god-place this might all seem very natural and neccesary, but from a mortal point of view its the destruction of the world. So mortals would try their best to stop it.
What happens if we succeed is also an interesting question.

And of course there is always the possibility that Im just good at spinning yarn and am wrong, that Skyrim will be something completely and utterly different, so that ten months from now I feel like a fool

I cant wait till it comes out, I so love elder scrolls.

» Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:14 pm

i really hope alduin is akatosh, i wanna avenge the banishment of mehrunes dagon!

» Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:36 am

The destuction of the Amulet of Kings broke the pact that he made with St. Alessia. That basically means that Akatosh or Alduin is free from that agreement and can do what he wants to do. My theory is, he wants to retransform Mundus, which would be a bad thing because it will probably kill everybody who lives in that plane.