Alduin's Wall

Post » Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:41 am

Theres a really awesome article on Gameinformers website about Alduin's wall
and the reasons too his reappearance.

I thought it was pretty gnarly so you guys should check it out.
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Post » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:43 pm

Already have. It also pretty soundly puts to rest the thought that Alduin is Akatosh. I guess I was right. Alduin is some crazy non-akatosh that was pwned by two dragonborn (at least) and possibly a greybeard, who knows, they may have all bee dragonborn.
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Post » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:07 pm

Already have. It also pretty soundly puts to rest the thought that Alduin is Akatosh. I guess I was right. Alduin is some crazy non-akatosh that was pwned by two dragonborn (at least) and possibly a greybeard, who knows, they may have all bee dragonborn.


It's pretty much confirmed that Alduin is Akatosh.
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Post » Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:12 am

I thought it was great how they have references as far back as Arena, but I'm really
disappointed that we have another murdered king. But I think its safe too say the
Blades(or whats left of them) will have a pretty substantial role in Skyim since the
wall is underneath Sky Haven Temple,last refuge of the blades.
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Post » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:55 pm

I wonder if the three people in the middle could be Hjalti, Arctus and Wulfharth? http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-arcturian-heresy

The guy on the left looks like a warrior(Hjalti), the one in the middle a mage(Arctus), and the one on the right looks undead(Wulfharth) to me.

Although it would be interesting to learn about three new people from even further in the past.
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Post » Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:47 am

I like it a lot...really hypes up the plot...
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Post » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:42 am

It's pretty much confirmed that Alduin is Akatosh.


I really want to know how it's confirmed that Alduin is Akatosh. Akatosh can't physically interact with the world and then we have the new information that there was a dragon that was banished from the world because it was on a rampage of destruction. That even strengthens my conviction that Alduin is not Akatosh. The only thing the theory of Alduin is Akatosh runs on is that people believe that Alduin is the Nord name for Akatosh. It's not like the peoples of an ancient civilization have ever misinterpreted anything before... The biggest evidence that it can't be Akatosh is an Aedra, whom can't interact with the world physically. If anything it could be Peryite who slipped into Nirn while the barrier was at it's weakest, which would make more since because it said what allowed for Alduin's return was the Oblivion Crisis.
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Post » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:55 am

I'm getting rather annoyed by the simplicity, lack of atmosphere and hints of hype in Game Informers writing. Compared to the original trailer this is boring.

Also the JavaScript player doesn't make for easy reading so:

Devastation
Thousands of years ago, lost in the uncounted centuries that came before recorded history, the dragons ravaged the countryside, waging war against humankind and driving them before their might. The humans could not stand against such a force. Some of these humans would come to worship the dragons, but all feared them. For the first of three times, we see depicted Alduin, the World Eater. This awesome and terrifying creature will one day return to devour Tamriel. That day has come.

Alduin’s Defeat
This cryptic image tells of Alduin’s fall to humanity’s ingenuity and bravery, but more than that is not known. This piece of the puzzle would be incredibly important to understand for someone new who might hope to defeat the dragons once again. Who are the individuals standing against Alduin? How did they expel the dreaded beast from the world? Perhaps the re-emergent Dragonborn will uncover the answers.

The Staff of Chaos
The prophecy of Alduin’s Wall depicts several events that would preface the return of Alduin after his expulsion from the world. The first is the shattering of the Staff of Chaos, an event depicted in The Elder Scrolls: Arena. The Staff was an incredibly powerful relic that could open gateways to other worlds and obliterate living beings. Imperial Battlemage Jagar Tharn used the Staff of Chaos to imprison Emperor Uriel Septim VII within the realm of Oblivion, after which he broke the staff into pieces to assure the artifact could never be used against him. Arena’s hero reassembled those pieces and defeated Jagar Tharn.

Numidium
The return of Numidium is another part of the prophecy heralding the return of Alduin. The massive brass golem called Numidium was reassembled during the events of The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall. The branching choices that determined who would control Numidium resulted in the Warp in the West, a strange occurrence that paradoxically allowed all choices to happen simultaneously, dramatically altering the world.

The Red Mountain
The mountain once known as Vvaardenfell served a central role in the events of The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. In that installment, the villain Dagoth Ur maintained his stronghold within, until the hero of that game infiltrated the Red Mountain and destroyed him.


The Oblivion Gates
The death of Emperor Uriel Septim VII at the beginning of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion allowed the Alduin’s return. A previously unknown heir named Martin Septim, along with the help of Oblivion’s hero, were able to shut the gates once again, but Martin was lost in the process. The end of the Septim dynasty of emperors also brought the end of Tamriel’s third era.


The Sons of Skyrim
With the Fourth Era begun, the sons of Skyrim “spill their own blood”, as described by the Blade named Esbern within the recent trailer. This final terrible event heralds Alduin’s ultimate arrival. As The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim begins, the high king of Skyrim has been murdered. Many within the northern country wish to secede from the crumbling empire, which has been on the decline for 200 years since the fall of the Septim Dynasty. Other Skyrim citizens insist the Empire is still worth fighting for. Conflict between the two sides seems inevitable.

Hope
The prophecy depicted on Alduin’s Wall is dire, but it is not without hope. A single individual, gifted with the same incredible powers held by the dragons themselves, may rise to fight against Alduin and assure the world’s survival. The Akaviri armor worn by the Blades in this image originates from another continent beyond Tamriel. The Blades shown in the image bow before the Dragonborn. They’ve protected the line of the Dragonborn for generations in anticipation of this moment, when a Dragonborn would rise to face Alduin upon his return. 200 years ago, with the closing of the Oblivion gates, the line of Dragonborn heirs was lost with the last of the Septims. As Skyrim begins, a lone prisoner begins to learn that he may hold a similar power…


The Throat of the World
A great mountain rises above the tundra and forests of Skyrim. The Throat of the World houses High Hrothgar, the home of the Greybeards, who will play a key part in the Dragonborn’s story. 7,000 steps must be climbed to reach the remote retreat. Here on Alduin’s Wall, we see the mountain cleft in two, symbolizes the way Skyrim is tearing itself apart as the game begins.

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Post » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:59 pm

Put http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/01/12/skyrim-secrets-of-the-wall.aspx in the OP
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Post » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:51 pm

"Here on Alduin’s Wall, we see the mountain cleft in two, symbolizes the way Skyrim is tearing itself apart as the game begins."

Weird, when I look at that, it looks... nevermind, this is a family site.

Well, let's put it this way, apparently Skyrim is about to get [censored].
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Post » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:57 pm

I really want to know how it's confirmed that Alduin is Akatosh.


I don't know enough about the lore to be able to say whether Akatosh is Alduin...but I find that far more interesting than just Alduin being some old ornery dragon. Go to the lore forum and read about the theory about Akatosh helping Martin in Oblivion to set the stage for his role in Skyrim as Alduin. I'm just saying...I'd rather go with established lore than some stupid gaming media article written by someone who probably doesn't even know who Akatosh is. And it's not like Bethesda is going to bang you over the head with "ALDUIN IS AKATOSH"...I expect it to be subtle and provide something of a plot twist (See: Shivering Isles).

I don't put much faith in these Game Informer articles anyway as far as deriving lore form it...at no point have I seen them even refer to Alduin as being an Aedra or a god in the Nordic pantheon...just reference to him as a dragon.
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Post » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:36 pm

I really want to know how it's confirmed that Alduin is Akatosh. Akatosh can't physically interact with the world and then we have the new information that there was a dragon that was banished from the world because it was on a rampage of destruction. That even strengthens my conviction that Alduin is not Akatosh. The only thing the theory of Alduin is Akatosh runs on is that people believe that Alduin is the Nord name for Akatosh. It's not like the peoples of an ancient civilization have ever misinterpreted anything before... The biggest evidence that it can't be Akatosh is an Aedra, whom can't interact with the world physically. If anything it could be Peryite who slipped into Nirn while the barrier was at it's weakest, which would make more since because it said what allowed for Alduin's return was the Oblivion Crisis.



No, it would make less sense, as Peryite's sphere is order, or a subdivision thereof.

Alduin is Akatosh. Time is a world eater. This ancient Nord belief has some interesting parallels with some modern day advanced physicists, who state that time is something wich destroys the whole universe and then rebuilds it. Luckily this happens many many million times a second, far too fast for anyone to notice.

Alduin eats the world in order to make way for the next kalpa, this is a neccesary and fundamental part of Nirn, though not something many people who live there will enjoy.
Mehrunes Dagon is a destroyer because in previous kalpa's he hid things from being eaten by Alduin, only to put em back the next kalpa, at hidden places. So it would take longer each time for Alduin to eat the world, and he would have a longer existence.
The plan backfired and now he is cursed to try and reduce the size of the kalpa so Alduin can eat it fully, wich is a lot more interesting than being a mindless destructive force.

The imperial library pretty much confirmes Alduin as Akatosh, at least in my opinion.
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Post » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:19 pm

I don't know enough about the lore to be able to say whether Akatosh is Alduin...but I find that far more interesting than just Alduin being some old ornery dragon. Go to the lore forum and read about the theory about Akatosh helping Martin in Oblivion to set the stage for his role in Skyrim as Alduin. I'm just saying...I'd rather go with established lore than some stupid gaming media article written by someone who probably doesn't even know who Akatosh is. And it's not like Bethesda is going to bang you over the head with "ALDUIN IS AKATOSH"...I expect it to be subtle and provide something of a plot twist (See: Shivering Isles).


I've read the theory of that and it just doesn't fit actual lore. Because Alduin isn't some ornery dragon, he is the World-eater. He can be extremely dangerous and powerful without shattering the very perception of lore and reality by saying "Oh yeah and now you have to fight and kill a dragon god, good luck!" Because it doesn't makes sense for it to be Akatosh. Now Peryite maybe and you have to banish him back to Oblivion or something. Just not Akatosh, because if you kill Akatosh, you unravel time...That would be fun.

Alduin eats the world in order to make way for the next kalpa, this is a neccesary and fundamental part of Nirn, though not something many people who live there will enjoy.
Mehrunes Dagon is a destroyer because in previous kalpa's he hid things from being eaten by Alduin, only to put em back the next kalpa, at hidden places. So it would take longer each time for Alduin to eat the world, and he would have a longer existence.
The plan backfired and now he is cursed to try and reduce the size of the kalpa so Alduin can eat it fully, wich is a lot more interesting than being a mindless destructive force.

The imperial library pretty much confirmes Alduin as Akatosh, at least in my opinion.


That is also a nord fairy tale that was obviously a fairy tale by the way it was written. It isn't fact. It may be based on a shred of fact but that isn't actually how it happened. In actual lore, not Kirkbride musings, the world hasn't been eaten by a dragon multiple times, it was created once. The creation of Mundus and Nirn aren't just light things that can easily happen, entire Aedra gave themselves to creating Mundus and Nirn and Akatosh and the other divines gave up much of their powers to create it the first time, it can't just be remade over and over again willy-nilly. The imperial library isn't god and not everything Kirkbride writes is lore, seeing as he hasn't worked at Bethesda since during Morrowind. They hire him to write some lore for them still but not everything he writes is lore. Especially since Mehrunes Dagon couldn't be a leaper demon seeing as how he is a Daedra Prince and wouldn't be so easily defeated by an Aedra. There is no basis in lore that can support that Akatosh is Alduin seeing as how Akatosh can't physically interact with Nirn because of the loss of much of his power.
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I've read the theory of that and it just doesn't fit actual lore. Because Alduin isn't some ornery dragon, he is the World-eater. He can be extremely dangerous and powerful without shattering the very perception of lore and reality by saying "Oh yeah and now you have to fight and kill a dragon god, good luck!" Because it doesn't makes sense for it to be Akatosh. Now Peryite maybe and you have to banish him back to Oblivion or something. Just not Akatosh, because if you kill Akatosh, you unravel time...That would be fun.


If Akatosh isn't Alduin it means Lorkhan is the only god worshiped in every Tamrielic religion (right now Akatosh and Lorkhan are the only two, but only if Akatosh is also Alduin). And what about Alduin being an Aedra? He only chooses to present himself as a dragon, the same way Akatosh does. And what about the idea that Alduin fulfills Akatosh's role as god of time for the Nords (albeit in a more negative way)?

I think the only way Alduin isn't Akatosh is with some major retconning on Bethesda's part (which is obviously totally possible).
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Post » Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:53 pm

I really want to know how it's confirmed that Alduin is Akatosh.
Akatosh can't physically interact with the world and then we have the new information that there was a dragon that was banished from the world because it was on a rampage of destruction. That even strengthens my conviction that Alduin is not Akatosh. The only thing the theory of Alduin is Akatosh runs on is that people believe that Alduin is the Nord name for Akatosh. It's not like the peoples of an ancient civilization have ever misinterpreted anything before... The biggest evidence that it can't be Akatosh is an Aedra, whom can't interact with the world physically. If anything it could be Peryite who slipped into Nirn while the barrier was at it's weakest, which would make more since because it said what allowed for Alduin's return was the Oblivion Crisis.


I believe it's been mentioned by GameInformer but I'd like to think people are able to understand a bit more then that.

When talking about the Aedra you have to keep in mind that they are rather flexible. They're ideas shaped by the perception people have of these ideas. This is most obvious when taking a book like http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-varieties-faith-empire or the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-monomyth. The same story repeats over and over again, with different costumes, music and plots.

Akatosh, Alkosh and Ruptaga all have similar positions. They're all the chief Deity. Alduin is a bit different, he's closer to the Yokudan Satakal, the serpent that eats the world to make room for the new one.
Further more Akatosh and the other Divines are an http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-shezarr-and-divines.

Based on this it's tempting to think that the ancient Cyrodiils were ignorant. Though that would over look that Akatosh, Alkosh, Ruptaga and Alduin are all the embodiment of time. Though they embody it in different ways, and that difference is best explained by relation between the Nords and Akatosh compared to the rest of Tamriel.

When the world was created the Aedra felt that Lorkhan had betrayed them, or followers of Lorkhan felt that the others were keeping them out of the good bits of Nirn, or Lorkhan was betrayed by his luitenants, or a few other variations on the theme.
Either way the result was a big war. The Nords (or rather their ancestors) had sided with Lorkhan, going up against the Merish hordes of Auriel. So to the Nords Ariel wasn't this glorious god king, rather he was the god of time and destruction come. Hence he - and thus Akatosh - is much easier to associate with Alduin.

You could say that other cultures have repressed this aspect of Time.

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I forgot to address the lack of interaction. Look up, Ama-Nin and John Hawker.

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Is there irony of calling the myths in a fairytale a fairytale?
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What I really want to know is when the GI update says 'humanity', does that include or exclude elves? Since they worship Auriel as a 'good guy'.
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I really want to know how it's confirmed that Alduin is Akatosh. Akatosh can't physically interact with the world and then we have the new information that there was a dragon that was banished from the world because it was on a rampage of destruction. That even strengthens my conviction that Alduin is not Akatosh. The only thing the theory of Alduin is Akatosh runs on is that people believe that Alduin is the Nord name for Akatosh. It's not like the peoples of an ancient civilization have ever misinterpreted anything before... The biggest evidence that it can't be Akatosh is an Aedra, whom can't interact with the world physically. If anything it could be Peryite who slipped into Nirn while the barrier was at it's weakest, which would make more since because it said what allowed for Alduin's return was the Oblivion Crisis.


Aedra can physically interact with the world even more easily than daedra -- ignoring the several times in TES3 and TES4 where you encountered one of the Nine in disguise, Mannimarco was technically a minor aedra after Daggerfall -- that's why his power was associated with a celestial phenomenon (the Necromancer's moon, if you'll recall).

Past lore is pretty clear that Alduin is Akatosh is Auriel. But, lore is also clear that, prior to the events of Shivering Isles, Jyggalag is Sheogorath. A plane can have multiple personas, sort of like a person with dissociative identity disorder (and especially like the Hollywood version). They are the same god, because the plane is the god. But that doesn't mean that Akatosh and Auriel can't be your ally while Alduin is your enemy.
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I believe it's been mentioned by GameInformer but I'd like to think people are able to understand a bit more then that.

When talking about the Aedra you have to keep in mind that they are rather flexible. They're ideas shaped by the perception people have of these ideas. This is most obvious when taking a book like http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-varieties-faith-empire or the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-monomyth. The same story repeats over and over again, with different costumes, music and plots.

Akatosh, Alkosh and Ruptaga all have similar positions. They're all the chief Deity. Alduin is a bit different, he's closer to the Yokudan Satakal, the serpent that eats the world to make room for the new one.
Further more Akatosh and the other Divines are an http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-shezarr-and-divines.

Based on this it's tempting to think that the ancient Cyrodiils were ignorant. Though that would over look that Akatosh, Alkosh, Ruptaga and Alduin are all the embodiment of time. Though they embody it in different ways, and that difference is best explained by relation between the Nords and Akatosh compared to the rest of Tamriel.

When the world was created the Aedra felt that Lorkhan had betrayed them, or followers of Lorkhan felt that the others were keeping them out of the good bits of Nirn, or Lorkhan was betrayed by his luitenants, or a few other variations on the theme.
Either way the result was a big war. The Nords (or rather their ancestors) had sided with Lorkhan, going up against the Merish hordes of Auriel. So to the Nords Ariel wasn't this glorious god king, rather he was the god of time and destruction come. Hence he - and thus Akatosh - is much easier to associate with Alduin.

You could say that other cultures have repressed this aspect of Time.

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I forgot to address the lack of interaction. Look up, Ama-Nin and John Hawker.


Yes, yes I know this drivel but it doesn't change the fact that it is impossible due to the fact that Akatosh CANNOT PHYSICALLY INTERACT WITH THE WORLD!!! It's cool in theory that they fit up so well with real life religions but I'll stake my life on it that Alduin isn't Akatosh. He may be some shade or echo of some of Akatosh's power when Nirn was created but it will not be Akatosh. I'm really thinking it's Peryite if anything because Peryite now has no plane of his own now that Jyggalag is back.
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That is also a nord fairy tale that was obviously a fairy tale by the way it was written. It isn't fact. It may be based on a shred of fact but that isn't actually how it happened. In actual lore, not Kirkbride musings, the world hasn't been eaten by a dragon multiple times, it was created once. The creation of Mundus and Nirn aren't just light things that can easily happen, entire Aedra gave themselves to creating Mundus and Nirn and Akatosh and the other divines gave up much of their powers to create it the first time, it can't just be remade over and over again willy-nilly. The imperial library isn't god and not everything Kirkbride writes is lore, seeing as he hasn't worked at Bethesda since during Morrowind. They hire him to write some lore for them still but not everything he writes is lore. Especially since Mehrunes Dagon couldn't be a leaper demon seeing as how he is a Daedra Prince and wouldn't be so easily defeated by an Aedra. There is no basis in lore that can support that Akatosh is Alduin seeing as how Akatosh can't physically interact with Nirn because of the loss of much of his power.



Just because it is told as a fairy tale, doesnt mean it is not true. Nords have a very oral tradition, as opposed to writing history books. When you do that, your history becomes more like the kind of tales that are well received around a fire in a longhouse.

And the creation of Mundus may have only happened once, but that does not mean the world was not eaten and remade by time. It is a cycle, a wheel. And what was so the previous kalpa may become more ingrained on the path the wheel makes the next time around. So Mehrunes Dagon was a leaper demon, but the following kalpa he was a Daedric prince, and had always been.

Dont forget that Daedric princehood is not defined solely as not participating in the creation of Mundus. Meridia, Malacath, neither of these are of 'original Daedric' stock. And Sheogorath has been mantled by a mortal. I suspect that were the next kalpa to occur, this would again always already have been so, and so there would be room for both Jyggalag and Sheogorath from the beginning. Time may be a wheel, but the previous cycle affects the next.
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Akatosh CANNOT PHYSICALLY INTERACT WITH THE WORLD!!!


Can you source that or eleborate?

I've heard that argument about Anu and Padomay, but never about Akatosh.
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Reading this really just underscores my complete ignorance of most of TES's lore. Kind of depressing.
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Aedra can physically interact with the world even more easily than daedra -- ignoring the several times in TES3 and TES4 where you encountered one of the Nine in disguise, Mannimarco was technically a minor aedra after Daggerfall -- that's why his power was associated with a celestial phenomenon (the Necromancer's moon, if you'll recall).

Past lore is pretty clear that Alduin is Akatosh is Auriel. But, lore is also clear that, prior to the events of Shivering Isles, Jyggalag is Sheogorath. A plane can have multiple personas, sort of like a person with dissociative identity disorder (and especially like the Hollywood version). They are the same god, because the plane is the god. But that doesn't mean that Akatosh and Auriel can't be your ally while Alduin is your enemy.


You don't truly interact with the nine, they are just avatars, they have no real power. Mannimarco ascended to become a demi-god because of the Mantella, he isn't an Aedra. Also I see the same people using this lore to try to believe that the aedra can affect the world also believe that Lorkhan is still alive when he isn't. I mean, his corpse is floating above Nirn and the Nerevarine destroyed his heart. Just because manifestations of him show up occasionally doesn't mean he is alive, they are echoes of him, sort've like imprints in the world.
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In actual lore, not Kirkbride musings, the world hasn't been eaten by a dragon multiple times, it was created once.


Maybe Nirn is like a goldfish -- your pet cat has killed the past 10 that you had while you were out at school, but you don't notice because your parents keep replacing them with a new goldfish that was almost identical in appearance.

Well, that was a crappy anology. But my interpretation of the Aldudagga is that the universe appears to be trapped in an endless cycle, like a 4-era-long Groundhog Day, and Lorkhan (being only partially within the universe) is Bill Murray. That is, unlike mortals and the aedra, who are destroyed and recreated by the end of the universe, he is aware of the cycle and can try to change it each time; but, being largely outside of the universe, his capacity to do so is limited. It's just a guess, but it sort of makes sense.
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Post » Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:28 am

Also I see the same people using this lore to try to believe that the aedra can affect the world also believe that Lorkhan is still alive when he isn't.


So then, are you arguing that Alduin is not in fact an Aedra?
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You don't truly interact with the nine, they are just avatars, they have no real power. Mannimarco ascended to become a demi-god because of the Mantella, he isn't an Aedra. Also I see the same people using this lore to try to believe that the aedra can affect the world also believe that Lorkhan is still alive when he isn't. I mean, his corpse is floating above Nirn and the Nerevarine destroyed his heart. Just because manifestations of him show up occasionally doesn't mean he is alive, they are echoes of him, sort've like imprints in the world.


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"It is like being a juggler. Things are always moving, and you learn to know where they are without even thinking about it. Only there are many, many things moving. And sometimes, like any juggler, you drop something. I'm afraid it has become a lot more a matter of dropping things lately. There's too much to do, and not enough time, and I'm losing my touch. Perhaps I'm growing old."

"It is a bit like being at once awake and asleep. Awake, I am here with you, thinking and talking. Asleep, I am very, very busy. Perhaps for other gods, the completely immortal ones, it is only like that being asleep. Out of time. Me, I exist at once inside of time and outside of it."

"It's nice never being dead, too. When I die in the world of time, then I'm completely asleep. I'm very much aware that all I have to do is choose to wake. And I'm alive again. Many times I have very deliberately tried to wait patiently, a very long, long time before choosing to wake up. And no matter how long it feels like I wait, it always appears, when I wake up, that no time has passed at all. That is the god place. The place out of time, where everything is always happening, all at once."
- http://www.imperial-library.info/content/meeting-vivec


After the world is materialized, Lorkhan is separated from his divine center, sometimes involuntarily, and wanders the creation of the et'Ada. Interpretations of these events differ widely by culture. - http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-monomyth


Understood laws of the arcanature will fall away like heat. "First Tower Dictate: render the mutant [That's Lorkhan - P] bound where he may do no more harm. - http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-mythic-dawn-commentaries-3


You wouldn't be much of a god if you died when your body did and this is just Vivec, not one of the completely immortal ones. Lorkhan seems to have been separated from his center and trapped in Mundus.
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